RTW question: itinerary allowed?

[taipeiflyer]

Hello everyone, I was thinking about booking an SIA-only RTW ticket- and I have never booked anything like this before. I was wondering if I can get some advice on whether my planned itinerary is allowed. If it is, if anyone knows the accompanying fare for a first class RTW, that would also be of great benefit. My hope is to do the following:
TPE-->SIN via SQ(transit)-->MXP via SQ(stopover)-->BCN via SQ(stopover)--> Eurorail through paris to Frankfurt-->JFK via SQ (stopover)--> domestic flight to LAX-->NRT via SQ (stopover)-->SIN via SQ(stopover)-->MEL via SQ(stopover and separate one-way ticket via air new zealand)-->PPT (separate one-way ticket via air new zealand)--> LAX

Thanks so much for any information!

[9V-JKL]

As much we like, MXP-BCN is not doable on SQ.

Not sure if the rules allow but there's a BCN-FRA codeshare.

[CGK]

TPE-->SIN via SQ(transit)-->MXP via SQ(stopover)-->BCN via SQ(stopover)--> Eurorail through paris to Frankfurt-->JFK via SQ (stopover)--> domestic flight to LAX-->NRT via SQ (stopover)-->SIN via SQ(stopover)-->MEL via SQ(stopover and separate one-way ticket via air new zealand)-->PPT (separate one-way ticket via air new zealand)--> LAX

1. Starting to TPE should end in TPE right?
2. MXP-BCN no traffic right AFAIK
3. FRA-JFK westbound atlantic LAX-NRT westbound pacific, then last point is LAX and have to go back to TPE, i.e. another westound pacific crossing (not allowed)

[taipeiflyer]

1. Starting to TPE should end in TPE right?
2. MXP-BCN no traffic right AFAIK
3. FRA-JFK westbound atlantic LAX-NRT westbound pacific, then last point is LAX and have to go back to TPE, i.e. another westound pacific crossing (not allowed)

thanks so much for the information cgk and 9V-JKL. VERY VERY VERY much appreciated. i will try to make some edits to it with the information presented. thanks again!

[KeithMEL]

FWIW, here are the fare rules:

APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS
RULE - 334/Q99R SQ EASY APAC FARE APPLICATION CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR FIRST/BUSINESS/ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE. FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE CIRCLE TRIP/OPEN JAW/ROUND THE WORLD JOURNEYS. OTHER CONDITIONS FARES ONLY APPLY IF PURCHASED BEFORE DEPARTURE. EXCEPTION - MAY BE USED FOR ENROUTE UPGRADING FROM A LOWER FARE PROVIDED ALL CONDITIONS OF THESE FARES ARE MET. TRAVEL VIA BOTH THE ATLANTIC AND THE PACIFIC ON SQ SERVICES ONLY. FARES - 1.THIS FARE APPLIES ONLY WHEN PURCHASED BEFORE DEPARTURE. 2.WHEN TICKETS ARE SOLD OUTSIDE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN THE APPLICABLE LOCAL CURRENCY FARES SHALL BE CONVERTED TO THE CURRENCY OF SALE AT BSR BUT IN NO INSTANCE SHALL THE FARE BE LESS THAN THAT APPLICABLE FROM THE COUNTRY OF SALE. 3.IF FARES ARE NOT SPECIFIED IN LOCAL CURRENCY FROM COUNTRY OF SALE THE CORRESPONDING USD FARES WILL BE USED FOR COMPARISON PURPOSE. PASSENGER EXPENSES- EN ROUTE PASSENGER EXPENSES SHALL NOT BE ABSORBED BY THE CARRIERS.

FLIGHT APPLICATION
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING SQ FLIGHT 0021 THROUGH 0022 SQ FLIGHT 0037 THROUGH 0038 SQ FLIGHT 1000 THROUGH 7999 SQ FLIGHT 9000 THROUGH 9999. NOTE - TRAVEL ON SQ A345 NOT PERMITTED. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT INCLUDE TRAVEL FROM/TO SOUTHWEST PACIFIC ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY SQ FLIGHT. NOTE - TRAVEL MUST BE IN A CONTINUOUS EASTBOUND OR WESTBOUND GLOBAL DIRECTION. TRAVEL BY SURFACE SECTORS WILL BE PERMITTED PROVIDED THEY ARE AT THE PASSENGER OWN EXPENSES. THE POINT AT WHICH THE PASSENGER REBOARDS SQ SERVICES MUST BE IN THE SAME DIRECTION OF TRAVEL. NO BACKTRACKING IS PERMITTED EXCEPT BTWN TWO SQ EUROPEAN DESTINATIONS. THIS MAY BE BY SURFACE OR VIA SQ SERVICES. -SUBJECT TO TRAFFIC RIGHT RESTRICTIONS- NO CITY MAY BE TRANSITTED MORE THAN ONCE IN THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.

ADVANCE RES/TICKETING
RESERVATIONS FOR DEPARTURE OF FIRST INTERNATIONAL SECTOR ARE REQUIRED AT LEAST 7 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE. OPEN RETURNS PERMITTED. TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED AT LEAST 7 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE. NOTE - TICKETING ENTRIES - ALL TICKETS INCLUDING CONJUNCTION TICKETS MUST SHOW THE COMPLETE FARE CONSTRUCTION IN VERTICAL OR LINEAR - FARE CONSTRUCTION BOXES-

MAXIMUM STAY
RETURN TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 3 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.

STOPOVERS
5 FREE STOPOVERS ARE PERMITTED. NOTE - -STOPOVERS ARE PERMITTED AT CITIES SERVED BY SQ. -ROUTING CONDITIONS MUST BE OBSERVED. -STOPOVERS ARE SUB TO TRAFFIC RIGHT RESTRICTIONS.

TRANSFERS
UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT NOTE - NO SPCL REQUIREMENTS. TRAVEL BY SURFACE SECTORS WILL BE PERMITTED PROVIDED THEY ARE AT THE PASSENGER OWN EXPENSES. THE POINT AT WHICH THE PASSENGER REBOARDS SQ SERVICES MUST BE IN THE SAME DIRECTION OF TRAVEL

PERMITTED COMBINATIONS
ROUND TRIPS NOT PERMITTED. ADD-ONS PERMITTED. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. TRAVEL //. NOTE - SIDE TRIP COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. PASSENGERS MAY PURCHASE AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE ANY -VISIT AMERICA- OR OTHER FARES. OPEN JAWS/CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS -TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARES OF THE SAME FARE TYPE FOR CARRIER SQ IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF.

SURCHARGES
NOTE - A- SQ BUSINESS PLUS SURCHARGES ON B773ER NON-STOP SERVICES 1-THE SURCHARGES BELOW WILL BE LEVIED ON BUSINESS CLASS RTW PASSENGERS TRAVELLING ON THE FOLLOWING SQ B773ER NON-STOP SERVICES SECTOR FLIGHT NUMBERS FOR TRAVEL ON/AFTER ------- ------------- ------------------- SIN-HKG V.V SQ 862/SQ 861 06 DECEMBER 2006 SIN-SEL V.V. SQ 016/SQ 015 21 MAR 2007 SIN-FRA V.V. SQ 326/SQ 325 02 MAY 2007 SIN-PAR V.V SQ 334/SQ 333 05 DECEMBER 2006 SIN-MIL V.V SQ 378/SQ 377 21 DECEMBER 2006 SIN-BCN V.V SQ 378/SQ 377 21 DECEMBER 2006 SIN-ZRH V.V. SQ 346/SQ 345 22 JAN 2007 SIN-SFO V.V. SQ 016/SQ 015 21 MAR 2007 SEL-SFO V.V. SQ 016/SQ 015 21 MAR 2007 2- B773ER SURCHARGES SECTOR FLIGHT NUMBERS SURCHARGE PER SECTOR ------ -------------- -------------------- SIN-HKG V.V SQ 862/SQ 861 USD 300 SIN-SEL V.V. SQ 016/SQ 015 USD300 SIN-FRA V.V. SQ 326/SQ 325 USD500 SIN-PAR V.V SQ 334/SQ 333 USD 500 SIN-MIL V.V SQ 378/SQ 377 USD 500 SIN-BCN V.V SQ 378/SQ 377 USD 500 SIN-ZRH V.V. SQ 346/SQ 345 USD500 SIN-SFO V.V. SQ 016/SQ 015 USD600 SEL-SFO V.V. SQ 016/SQ 015 USD500 3- THE SURCHARGE AMOUNTS MUST BE REFLECTED AS A Q-SURCHARGE AFTER THE B773ER SECTOR 4-THE SURCHARGES WILL NOT APPLY TO FIRST CLASS RTW PASSENGERS. 5- NO DISCOUNT APPLY. -------------------------------------------------- ONE OW/RT SIDE TRIP TO/FROM SIN IS PERMITTED ON MI SERVICES. SECTOR COW IN USD YOW IN USD ------ -------------- ---------- SIN-HKT/MES/PDG 216 115 SIN-MDC/PNH/RGN 390 220 SIN-BPN/UPG/REP 390 220 SIN-KMG/XMN/CEB/DVO/TRV 519 254 SIN-LGK 130 J-CLASS 100 SIN-CNX/AMI/SOC 302 148 -RT ADDON IS TWICE THE OW

TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS
WITHIN TPE VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON/AFTER 15JUL2003.

SALES RESTRICTIONS
WITHIN SOUTHEAST ASIA TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/AFTER 09NOV2005.

PENALTIES
CANCELLATIONS BEFORE DEPARTURE FOR CANCEL/NO-SHOW NOTE - .BEFORE DEADLINE - FULL REFUND .AFTER DEADLINE/NO SHOW - 25PCT OF FARE PAID NOT REFUNDABLE. CANCELLATIONS AFTER DEPARTURE FOR CANCEL/NO-SHOW NOTE - CANCELLATION - THE REFUND IF ANY WILL BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FARE PAID AND THE APPLICABLE NORMAL FARE FOR THE JOURNEY COMPLETED LESS 25PCT. NOTE - -THE NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT MUST NOT BE USED AS CREDIT TOWARDS PURCHASE OF ANY OTHER FARE. CHANGES FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION NOTE - CHANGES AFTER DEADLINE- 1.FIRST INTERNATIONAL OUTBOUND SECTOR-CHANGES NOT PERMITTED. 2.OTHER SECTORS A.ONE TRANSACTION PERMITTED FREE B.SUBSEQUENT CHANGES REQUIRING TICKET REISSUANCE WILL BE PERMITTED AT A CHARGE OF USD25/GBP15 -EX U.K ONLY- PER AFFECTED FLIGHT COUPON.

HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS
THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR STOPOVERS. NOTE - NOT APPLICABLE.

TICKET ENDORSEMENT
THE ORIGINAL AND REISSUED TICKETS MUST BE ANNOTATED-VALID ON SQ ONLY-AND-NON-REF/APAC-IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.

CHILDREN DISCOUNTS
NOTE - GENERAL RULE DOES NOT APPLY. AN ACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-11 YEARS OF AGE - CHARGE 67 PERCENT OF THE FARE. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS BY ADULT 12 OR OLDER. OR - 1ST INFANT UNDER 2 YEARS OF AGE AND NOT OCCUPYING A SEAT - CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS BY AT LEAST 1 BUT NO MORE THAN 1 ADULT 12 OR OLDER. NOTE - ONLY ONE INFANT SHALL ACCOMPANY EACH ADULT PASSENGER. ANY ADDITIONAL INFANT WILL BE CHARGED 67 PCT. OF THE ADULT FARE AND A SEAT WILL BE RESERVED. OR - AN INFANT UNDER 2 YEARS OF AGE AND OCCUPYING A SEAT - CHARGE 67 PERCENT OF THE FARE. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS BY AT LEAST 1 BUT NO MORE THAN 1 ADULT 12 OR OLDER. NOTE - ONLY ONE INFANT SHALL ACCOMPANY EACH ADULT PASSENGER. ANY ADDITIONAL INFANT WILL BE CHARGED 67 PCT. OF THE ADULT FARE AND A SEAT WILL BE RESERVED.

Fare basis CEZSQ.

Unless I'm reading it wrongly - I don't think you can fly to SouthWest Pacific on the exTPE fare. "AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT INCLUDE TRAVEL FROM/TO SOUTHWEST PACIFIC ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY SQ FLIGHT"

[taipeiflyer]

FWIW, here are the fare rules:



Fare basis CEZSQ.

Unless I'm reading it wrongly - I don't think you can fly to SouthWest Pacific on the exTPE fare. "AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT INCLUDE TRAVEL FROM/TO SOUTHWEST PACIFIC ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY SQ FLIGHT"

thanks a lot keithmel... this is much more complicated than i had anticipated... do you suggest i go through a travel agent? or should i contact singapore air and try and have them create an itinerary for me?

[taipeiflyer]

i think i will just base my travel out of singapore, which is probably easiest. my proposed itinerary would then be:
sin--> barcelona via SQ (stayover)--> travel within europe ending up in frankfurt--> JFK via SQ (stayover)--> fly domestically to LAX--> NRT via SQ (stayover)--> SIN via SQ (transit)--> MEL via SQ (stayover)--> buy one way ticket via air new zealand to tahiti and buy separate one-way ticket to auckland (stayover)--> SIN via SQ. travel on sq metal totals a little under 29,000 miles. does this look like a feasible plan?

[9V-JKL]

KeithMEL, do you have pricing for it, ex-SIN?

[jhm]

Not sure about this RTW but on a RWSTAR, going back to your origin (SIN in this case) ends the ticket.

[MAN Flyer]

Not sure about this RTW but on a RWSTAR, going back to your origin (SIN in this case) ends the ticket.

Only if it's a stopover, not if it's just a transit.

[KeithMEL]

KeithMEL, do you have pricing for it, ex-SIN?

ex-SIN fare = SGD3200 for Y, SGD6708 for C and SGD9459 for F. Books into S, D and A respectively.

[CGK]

i think i will just base my travel out of singapore, which is probably easiest. my proposed itinerary would then be:
sin--> barcelona via SQ (stayover)--> travel within europe ending up in frankfurt--> JFK via SQ (stayover)--> fly domestically to LAX--> NRT via SQ (stayover)--> SIN via SQ (transit)--> MEL via SQ (stayover)--> buy one way ticket via air new zealand to tahiti and buy separate one-way ticket to auckland (stayover)--> SIN via SQ. travel on sq metal totals a little under 29,000 miles. does this look like a feasible plan?

I remember I asked SQ to plan this SQ-RTW only. I was not able to do SIN-SYD-SIN because "backtracking is not allowed." So the possible routing SQ gave me was something like this:
LAX-NRT-SIN-LHR-FRA-JFK

Another factor to consider: this type tix only has 3-months validity while the STAR-RTW has a year validity,

Only if it's a stopover, not if it's just a transit.

I may be wrong. AFAIK this is for ex-BKK only where you can transfer via BKK.

[KeithMEL]

Another factor to consider: this type tix only has 3-months validity while the STAR-RTW has a year validity,

That depends on the market. The ex-Australia version of the SQ RTW is valid for a year.

[9V-JKL]

ex-SIN fare = SGD3200 for Y, SGD6708 for C and SGD9459 for F. Books into S, D and A respectively.

Its not that expensive

[KeithMEL]

i think i will just base my travel out of singapore, which is probably easiest. my proposed itinerary would then be:
sin--> barcelona via SQ (stayover)--> travel within europe ending up in frankfurt--> JFK via SQ (stayover)--> fly domestically to LAX--> NRT via SQ (stayover)--> SIN via SQ (transit)--> MEL via SQ (stayover)--> buy one way ticket via air new zealand to tahiti and buy separate one-way ticket to auckland (stayover)--> SIN via SQ. travel on sq metal totals a little under 29,000 miles. does this look like a feasible plan?

The ex-SIN version of the rules also do not permit travel to South West Pacific. It doesn't make sense because the same fare is offered exMEL. So unless I'm reading the rules wrongly, you can't do SIN-MEL on that fare.

Run it through SQ to make sure to make sure. I don't think there's any advantage booking a RTW with a TA as it'd just be the same published fare and you might be hit with a service fee.