Third runway and T4

[MAN Flyer]

Moving to new hub and new code share partner seem a different topic? Wht are not SQ their new code share partner in the first place? Loss out due to competition?

Brilliant!.

[SQtraveller]

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[SQGamespeed]

Moving to new hub and new code share partner seem a different topic? Wht are not SQ their new code share partner in the first place? Loss out due to competition?

Why in the world would you expect SQ and QF to codeshare when they are fierce
competitors in opposite alliances? How would you feel if TG (seemingly an airline you have a soft spot for compared to SQ) did codeshares with BA on BKK-LHR?

[cscs1956]

And how do these tourists that help in this business growth get to and from Singapore ?.



Sydney Morning Herald.

BTW, as you seem to have missed the fact completely I'll repeat it for you ; the reason QF have moved their hub to DXB is because that is where their new code share partner is based.

Moving to new hub and new code share partner seem a different topic? Wht are not SQ their new code share partner in the first place? Loss out due to competition?

[MAN Flyer]

The spending in Singapore is the most we depend on. Tourist, hotel and their spending that helps the business growth in Singapore and not just the airport itself.

And how do these tourists that help in this business growth get to and from Singapore ?.

Think this link say it all when QF chosen their new hub vs Singapore.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/twopl...331-2h151.html

Sydney Morning Herald.

BTW, as you seem to have missed the fact completely I'll repeat it for you ; the reason QF have moved their hub to DXB is because that is where their new code share partner is based.

[cscs1956]

What is it you mean by "help much in economics"? That transit passengers aren't very useful with explaining economics? I must confess if I were on a long haul flight, I would struggle to derive an IS-LM model or what the difference is between Hodrick-Prescott and Band Pass Filters.

Rather than call on transit passengers to help you understand economics, I suggest you contact a university professor.

The spending in Singapore is the most we depend on. Tourist, hotel and their spending that helps the business growth in Singapore and not just the airport itself.

Think this link say it all when QF chosen their new hub vs Singapore.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/twopl...331-2h151.html

[SQtraveller]

You get these concept totally wrong. Transit passengers does not help much in economics. These type of passengers will also reduce when aircraft is able to fly longer distance (QF is one good example), and most importantly when rest of the regional airport start to progress.

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[MAN Flyer]

You get these concept totally wrong. Transit passengers does not help much in economics. These type of passengers will also reduce when aircraft is able to fly longer distance (QF is one good example), and most importantly when rest of the regional airport start to progress.

What on earth are you talking about, again ?. If transit passengers don't 'help much with economics' why are so many airports so desperate to increase their numbers ?. I suppose you don't grasp the fact that more pax through Changi means the need to extend the airport, increase retail opportunities and employ more people etc. According to you growth and increasing employment doesn't help economics. That's a new one that will come as a surprise to everyone of sane mind.

Your QF comparison shows another lack of understanding of the market. They have moved their hub to DXB as their new partner is EK, and that's their 'HUB', although we know don't understand the concept of a hub airport. They are flying exactly the same aircraft they were flying to Changi and unless the airports they fly to have suddenly moved they are flying exactly the same distance between Australia and Europe with a single stop en route.

You clearly have a seriously problem with 'Singapore' or it's Government, which is absolutely fine and you are far from alone on here with that. However, stop making yourself look silly with these bizarre comments that make no sense whatsoever.

[SQGamespeed]

You get these concept totally wrong. Transit passengers does not help much in economics. These type of passengers will also reduce when aircraft is able to fly longer distance (QF is one good example), and most importantly when rest of the regional airport start to progress.

If transit passengers don't "help much in economics" then why is there an ENORMOUS number of retail and F&B outlets in the transit areas of all 3 terminals? Read MAN Flyer's reply again and try to make a logical connection between that statement to economics.

And QF switching from Changi to DXB on the Kangaroo Route may reduce the number of transit pax, but the growth of pax numbers using other airlines may more than offset this loss in the future.

Hopefully you can understand this and post something of different quality than many of your previous posts.

[cscs1956]

I know I am wasting my time with this but.... When are you going to finally grasp the concept of a 'hub' airport, the size of which has nothing whatsoever to do with the size of the country or it's population ?. A large percentage of the passengers at Changi are neither Singaporeans nor are they even visiting Singapore, they are in transit from one destination to another. Why is it so hard for you to understand this ?.

Changi Airport, like many airports around the world especially in Asia, is going to keep getting bigger and busier, you might as well get used to it.

You get these concept totally wrong. Transit passengers does not help much in economics. These type of passengers will also reduce when aircraft is able to fly longer distance (QF is one good example), and most importantly when rest of the regional airport start to progress.

[MAN Flyer]

I am not sure if we can get as many passengers/aircraft to fly into Singapore?
I guess unless we have some kind of mass transport between Singapore to Malaysia or even Batam.

I know I am wasting my time with this but.... When are you going to finally grasp the concept of a 'hub' airport, the size of which has nothing whatsoever to do with the size of the country or it's population ?. A large percentage of the passengers at Changi are neither Singaporeans nor are they even visiting Singapore, they are in transit from one destination to another. Why is it so hard for you to understand this ?.

Changi Airport, like many airports around the world especially in Asia, is going to keep getting bigger and busier, you might as well get used to it.

[cscs1956]

CHANGI Airport is studying the need for a fourth runway to cater to more flights in the coming decades, even as plans are finalised for a third landing and take-off strip.

http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-...unway-20130318

I am not sure if we can get as many passengers/aircraft to fly into Singapore?
I guess unless we have some kind of mass transport between Singapore to Malaysia or even Batam.

[9V-JKL]

Our ATC very KS here. If we analyse the departure pattern during peak period, and a lot of the departing aircraft are small (A320 / B737 / ATR), why does ATC mandate all aircraft to end of runway and use 4000m for departure? These smaller narrowbody aircraft simply do not need 4km and they are just hogging up the departure queue, wasting time and burning additional taxi fuel.

I hope NATS can do something about it for CAAS.

I agree with you. In addition, separation between these small aircraft types can be smaller and thus increase TO vol.
At ORD, on multiple occasions, the A320/B737s I was on were given TO clearance the moment a similar plane in front of us went wheels up

[MAN Flyer]

Just last mon on SQ flight to CAN on departure on runway 02L - our plane was held back by almost 6 mins just to wait for a arriving Silkair plane!

That's outrageous, I hope you called the police.

[flyguy]

actually Changi do not even need a 4th runway for another 2decades or more and even the 3rd runway will be sufficient. Its currently or in near future not so much the issue of runway - but more of ground ATC and ATC itself that been somewhat causing the congestion. As one can see Heathrow is one of the world's busiest and it operates with just 2 runways and the number of flights is almost more than half of what Changi handles - so is HKG, Narita and even BKK. However Changi do experience esp morning congestions and the wait can be 15 to 30 mins. Its the long sequencing of flights that causes the delays as often Changi spaces the take-off by up to more than 2 mins.
Just last mon on SQ flight to CAN on departure on runway 02L - our plane was held back by almost 6 mins just to wait for a arriving Silkair plane!
And later on the return flight our aircraft was scheduled to land at 535pm but the pilot told us that there's congestion and we circled off Trengganu 3 times and then another time circled over tioman before we were cleared forapproach and we landed at 605pm.
Changi ATC needs to be better skilled and have enough manpower to ensure lesser time separation between aircrafts landing and taking off. Having 4 runways with ATC retrictions will also not help alleviate the congestion much.