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  • #61
    http://business.smh.com.au/fresh-cal...0706-32lq.html

    Fresh call for Qantas to share lucrative LA route

    THE stranglehold of Qantas on the Australia-US route faces a fresh challenge after the Victorian Government called on its federal counterpart to grant Singapore Airlines and other "third country" airlines access on the lucrative route.

    Despite the signing of an open skies treaty between Australia and the US early this year, which has paved the way for Virgin Blue offshoot V Australia's entry on the route this December, the Victorian Government has argued not enough has been done to open up what is considered one of the world's least competitive long-haul air routes.

    In its submission to the National Aviation Policy white paper of the Transport Minister, Anthony Albanese, the Victorian Government said: "Despite the recent open skies agreement concluded between the Australian and US governments, the establishment of new services to Australia are not a high commercial priority for most United States airlines, which are largely focused on other regions (such as North Asia and the Atlantic)."

    The State Government said the new agreement had not yet resulted in any new flights coming into Melbourne, noting V Australia had so far only committed itself to the Brisbane-LA and Sydney-LA routes. It said the extra services would only "further increase the diversion of traffic through Sydney", where 37 per cent of Victorian passengers had to travel through to fly to the US.

    "The Victorian Government believes it would now be appropriate for the Commonwealth Government to set a timetable to allow Singapore Airlines (or other third country carriers) entry to the Pacific route," the submission said.

    Singapore Airlines and Air Canada had their requests to fly the route rejected in February last year, when the then transport minister, Warren Truss, ruled it was better to provide V Australia time to establish itself. Qantas controls about 75 per cent of the capacity on the route; United Airlines the rest.

    "There is a concern that the previous government's air services policy may have over-emphasised strategic negotiating priorities and national carrier interests to the detriment of whole-of-economy benefits," the submission said.

    The Victorian Government has long pushed for Australia to open up itself more to foreign carriers, especially with the exit of several airlines from Melbourne such as British Airways and, more recently, Japan Airlines.

    Victoria's Labor Government was one of the protagonists of the successful push last year for the Howard government to grant Emirates, Qatar Airways and Etihad more access.

    Qantas, however, has long contended any aviation agreements should factor in the unfair competitive disadvantage it has compared to "hub" carriers such as Singapore Air and Emirates.

    Singapore Airlines declined to comment on the submission. But it is clear the carrier is prepared to take a more measured approach in persuading the Rudd Government to eventually allow it onto the LA route.

    "We understand the new government has numerous priorities," it said in its submission to the aviation white paper.

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    • #62
      SQ CEO stil determined to operate trans-pacific route.

      Come clean on Pacific Singapore urges.

      The boss of Singapore Airlines has called on the Australian Government to declare its position on the trans-Pacific route. Speaking to Travel Today,
      Singapore Airlines chief executive Chew Choon Seng said the carrier remains
      determined to access the Pacific route, and called on the government to make its stance known.
      “But we’ve had a series of roadblocks. We were told to wait until the economic recovery post 9-11, then we were told to wait until Qantas prospers again, then we were told to wait until after the federal elections and now we are being told to wait until V Australia is well established.”
      http://www.travelweekly.com.au/dirpl...14_07_2008.pdf

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      • #63
        The tit-for-tat strategy ignores the theory of comparative advantage and mistakenly assumes that trade is a zero-sum game i.e. that if one side benefits the other cannot.

        First example. If I have two spoons and you have two forks, then we both benefit by trading one spoon for one fork.

        Second example. If I can manufacture spoons for $1.00 each and forks for $1.20 each while you can manufacture spoons for $2.40 each and forks for $2.00 each, I might think that buying $2.00 forks would be a bad idea. However, if I produce only spoons and you produce only forks and then we trade, we can both have more forks and more spoons than if I refused to trade.

        Assume we each have $220,000 to spend producing forks and spoons. I could manufacture 100,000 forks plus 100,000 spoons. You could manufacture 50,000 forks plus 50,000 spoons. However, it would be better for you to manufacture 110,000 forks and for me to manufacture 160,000 spoons plus 50,000 forks. How those extra 10,000 forks and spoons get divided depends on market pricing for forks and spoons, but each of us will get some of the benefit by playing to our comparative advantages.

        Similarly, if SQ have a comparative advantage flying SIN-SYD-LAX, then Australia would benefit by allowing them to do so.

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        • #64
          Alas...

          http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...-23349,00.html


          Australia's ban on foreign carriers to stay
          Steve Creedy, Aviation writer | December 02, 2008

          SINGAPORE Airlines will remain shut out of the trans-Pacific route when the federal Government launches its long-awaited aviation green paper tomorrow.

          The draft blueprint for the nation's aviation industry reiterates the Government's stand that it has no immediate plans to grant additional third country access to the route, so that Virgin Blue offshoot V Australia can establish its operations.

          The decision will leave Qantas, United Airlines and, from February, V Australia as the only carriers offering non-stop flights to the US west coast.
          More here (go to page 106):
          http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/avi...l_Aviation.pdf
          All opinions shared are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer or any other organisation of which I'm affiliated to.

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          • #65
            http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...-23349,00.html

            SINGAPORE Airlines still believes it should be given the right to fly between Australia and the US but its enthusiasm has cooled sharply as traffic has slumped, competition has increased and fares have fallen more than 40 per cent.

            Singapore Airlines chief executive Chew Choon Seng told The Australian at this week's International Air Transport Association conference in Kuala Lumpur that the basic justification remained for having access to the route.

            "But it's something that we can live without," he said. "The present market circumstances are such that it's not a high priority item for us. The traffic has gone and I believe Delta is coming on to the route and V Australia is there. It's something that, on the basis of principle, we see no reason why we should not have access to the route."
            All opinions shared are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer or any other organisation of which I'm affiliated to.

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            • #66
              Delta is here now as is V Australia Then You have Your Air New Zealand and Hawaiian Airlines providing one stop services over Auckland and Honolulu Plus Air Pacific and the established Qantas and United.That is like Seven Airlines Australia to USA Do we really need SIA on the run.

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              • #67
                would be nice to have a direct Aust-USA flight with a Star Alliance carrier other than United who offer a very inferior economy product compared to everyone else
                My SQ and flying Videos: Youtube My Travel Blog: AussieFlyer.net

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                • #68
                  "very inferior economy product" is an understatement.

                  you see those buttons on the armest? that's your IFE! what you can't see is the large proejctor (remember those?) that shows 4 movies back to back. no PTVs here!

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by haf View Post
                    "very inferior economy product" is an understatement.

                    you see those buttons on the armest? that's your IFE! what you can't see is the large proejctor (remember those?) that shows 4 movies back to back. no PTVs here!

                    I have not seen those buttons in ages!!

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by SQADL333 View Post
                      Delta is here now as is V Australia Then You have Your Air New Zealand and Hawaiian Airlines providing one stop services over Auckland and Honolulu Plus Air Pacific and the established Qantas and United.That is like Seven Airlines Australia to USA Do we really need SIA on the run.
                      If the number of airlines on a given route is the sole determinant on whether competition is necessary, then I do believe we have plenty of redundant airlines in the world today. Why not consolidate the world's airlines into one and we won't have to face this question again?
                      Help make this article a better one!

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                      • #71
                        I would have done anything to HAVE had PTV'S plus Audio Video on Demand last time I did a Transpacific which was close to nine years ago with Air New Zealand.What We had was the old fashioned movie screen in the Middle of the Plane showing Airshow and Movies plus Arrival Guides.Rather Old Fashioned Now that we look at it

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                        • #72
                          Yes definitely. SIA could possibly give the other airlines a run for their money.

                          Originally posted by SQADL333 View Post
                          Delta is here now as is V Australia Then You have Your Air New Zealand and Hawaiian Airlines providing one stop services over Auckland and Honolulu Plus Air Pacific and the established Qantas and United.That is like Seven Airlines Australia to USA Do we really need SIA on the run.

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                          • #73
                            Its basic economic theory that protectionism reduces effeciency

                            Look at the state Qantas is in despite their protectionistic strongholds.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by SQADL333 View Post
                              I would have done anything to HAVE had PTV'S plus Audio Video on Demand last time I did a Transpacific which was close to nine years ago with Air New Zealand.What We had was the old fashioned movie screen in the Middle of the Plane showing Airshow and Movies plus Arrival Guides.Rather Old Fashioned Now that we look at it
                              Yes but ANZ has PTV and AVOD now in all classes , whereas United has not changed (in economy)
                              My SQ and flying Videos: Youtube My Travel Blog: AussieFlyer.net

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by SQADL333 View Post
                                Delta is here now as is V Australia Then You have Your Air New Zealand and Hawaiian Airlines providing one stop services over Auckland and Honolulu Plus Air Pacific and the established Qantas and United.That is like Seven Airlines Australia to USA Do we really need SIA on the run.
                                Indirect competition has a weak (but not zero) effect. Otherwise you could argue every airline competes, if you go far enough out of your way (SYD-SIN-LAX anyone?).

                                NZ, HA, FJ, & TN carry a small % of passengers from Australia to USA vv.
                                ..

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