Canada Allows Singaporean Airlines Unlimited Flights

[jjpb3]

If the strategy is to avoid competition with *A partners, then we would have seen a scaling back on some of the otherwise profitable routes, and an increasing reliance on code-sharing on those routes. I just haven't seen that.

[MAN Flyer]

SQ won't compete with fellow *A and codeshare partner, AC on the HKG-YYZ route.

So why do they compete with LH on FRA-JFK, on HKG-SFO with UA, on NRT-LAX with UA & NH, on ICN-SFO with UA, BKK-NRT with TG & NH etc ?.

If SQ want to fly a route and they can, they'll fly it. It doesn't matter who else does.

[huaiwei]

If the strategy is to avoid competition with *A partners, then we would have seen a scaling back on some of the otherwise profitable routes, and an increasing reliance on code-sharing on those routes. I just haven't seen that.

I don't think they will go as far as avoiding such routes at all costs, obviously. SQ's recent codeshare arrangements with US Airways into Las Vegas, effectively kills any short-term plans to restart that route, however. From a time when the airline was going it alone and willing to take slightly greater risks when venturing into new markets, it now falls back to codesharing more readily, a similar tactic employed by many airlines now.

[jjpb3]

I don't think they will go as far as avoiding such routes at all costs, obviously. SQ's recent codeshare arrangements with US Airways into Las Vegas, effectively kills any short-term plans to restart that route, however. From a time when the airline was going it alone and willing to take slightly greater risks when venturing into new markets, it now falls back to codesharing more readily, a similar tactic employed by many airlines now.

Your nuanced interpretation, though, is rather different from the statement I read in post #10 (that SQ won't compete with a partner from *A). I don't think the blanket statement there is true.

Membership in *A affords SQ the option of falling back to codeshares more readily, but the overall strategy isn't to avoid *A competition.

[singaporu_kooku]

If SQ does want to fly to one place, it doesn't need to find out whether other alliance members also plying that routes. LAX-NRT, SIN-NRT, ICN-SFO, SIN-FRA, etc are just a small number of routes that SQ flies along with other star alliance members. After all, it is on every company goals to grow and expand.

[787Dreamliner]

i thought canada was like australia , always refusing to allow SQ to fly there too often as it's too successful. Seems like lack of competition has caused over priced ticket thus the canadian governement sumbmitted to their requests.

[impresta]

SQ already operates to YVR 3xweekly via ICN. Perhaps you mean additional flights?

Sorry I meant YEG because there are a lot of south east asians residing in the city. I'm one of them. I was a little sleepy at the time i posted because I just got out of bed.

[KeithMEL]

i thought canada was like australia , always refusing to allow SQ to fly there too often as it's too successful. Seems like lack of competition has caused over priced ticket thus the canadian governement sumbmitted to their requests.

Australia does not restrict SQ's flights to Australia like Canada previously does. It is fifth freedom rights out of Australia to the USA (eg SYD-LAX) that's the problem.

Sorry I meant YEG because there are a lot of south east asians residing in the city. I'm one of them. I was a little sleepy at the time i posted because I just got out of bed.

No worries.
I think though, and I could be wrong, that they'd ramp up frequency out of YVR before they decide to do anything else. They could use YVR as a hub for places like YEG - a codeshare on AC metal would do the trick.

[Singapore_Air]

I have just had confirmation of what the ASA actually allows and it isn't much.

This ASA allows unrestricted nonstop operations from all Canadian cities to Singapore and vice versa.

However, the ASA keeps the 3x weekly ex-ICN restriction which means that SQ018/SQ017 cannot increase in frequency.

The ASA also allows for one other intermediate point but that was not allowed to be disclosed to me but I am told that it doesn't make sense for Singapore Airlines to operate through it for various reasons.

Nonstop operations are not economical for Singapore Airlines for reasons known (A340-500 with four engines, high fuel price, no intention of buying the B777-200LR etc....).

[LukeGT]

The quote is from the link you posted. Currently, SQ flies YVR-ICN-SIN only on Monday, Thursday, and Saturday. How can it be six weekly?
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3 towards YVR + 3 towards SIN = 6.....

[LukeGT]

KE uses 744 to YYZ so I think SQ will be doing SIN-ICN-YYZ .

There should be some limitation to the use of ICN as intermediate point.
Somewhere in the forum someone reported that the agreement between S.Korea and S'pore does not allow to operate unlimited flights enrouted via S. Korea.

[LukeGT]

Can I confirm what your source is, for making this assertion about SQ strategy?

I think you're making a leap in logic. SQ seems to compete actively with *A partners when the yields justify the action (e.g., FRA-SIN [vs. LH], or SIN-SFO [vs. UA]).

jjpb3 - honestly FRA SIN does not seem to me a real competition. The two carriers code share their flights.....
it seems to me a "divide et impera"-strategy. I think we all know that the carriers most weighing up in the alliance are SQ and LH.

My ,02$.

[zvezda]

So why do they compete with LH on FRA-JFK.

LH and SQ used to code-share FRA-JFK but now compete.

[huaiwei]

Your nuanced interpretation, though, is rather different from the statement I read in post #10 (that SQ won't compete with a partner from *A). I don't think the blanket statement there is true.

Membership in *A affords SQ the option of falling back to codeshares more readily, but the overall strategy isn't to avoid *A competition.

Oh yes, because in the first place I arent fully agreeing with that blanket statement.

[huaiwei]

If SQ does want to fly to one place, it doesn't need to find out whether other alliance members also plying that routes. LAX-NRT, SIN-NRT, ICN-SFO, SIN-FRA, etc are just a small number of routes that SQ flies along with other star alliance members. After all, it is on every company goals to grow and expand.

As I said before, most, if not all, of these routes predate SQ's entry into Star Alliance. SQ isnt going to start dropping routes just because of avoiding competition, but it did drop routes if yields are lower, such as Vienna. I suppose they are less likely to drop this route if it wasent in an airline alliance. At the same time, the airline is less likely to commence routes already served by Star Alliance partners unless it is damn sure of good yields and having a competitive advantage.