SQ reinstating FRA-JFK, HKG-SFO in Nov

[SQfanatic]

I am confident that SQ 1/2 will return when the quarantine between China mainland and HK loosens up. Especially during CNY, many pax on this route are from Guangdong. I know many who are eager to fly SQ 1/2 again when it resumes. SQ won't let its flagship route suspended forever. I have learned to be hopeful and patient. The resume of multiple HKG flights is definitely a good sign.

I won’t hold my breath anymore on this. That may be true but something tells me SQ has more or less finalized their Summer schedule in some way.

Plus there’s also time issues; SQ2 formerly was a 6:30PM departure ex-SIN (now replaced by SQ34 now a nonstop evening flight). SQ32 is a morning nonstop flight (Former SQ8 departed in the AM). It’s a little complicated on how that will go plus SQ2/1 could still remain cargo during the late night.

I wouldn’t expect that they bring it back anytime soon if the nonstop works out for them. The only 2 routes doing nonstop flights alone (with no fifth freedom option) are SEA & YVR.

In September I’ll be flying to India again most likely, if the HKG flight comes back that would be good. But eveything is all dependent on the fares, too. If CX resumes more India routes like MAA, that would help as less time is spent but we could try other airlines to split the time than sit 16-17 hrs.

[SQ002]

Hard to believe it’s been exactly 1 year that HKG-SFO flights got reinstated with a 77W, then went to an A350 in December/January (likely due to many 77W being moved around and not enough had returned to revenue service back then), but got suspended due to the HKSAR govt directive. SQ8/7 having daytime departures compared to evening/nighttime departures. Those mimicked the CX870/879 departures, although that flight is operating once a week on Wednesdays only on the A350 aircraft.

Now while SQ only has nonstops to SFO (11 weekly with Y class seats), what are the chances this flight can still come back? Remember, in December they are putting 2 daily HKG flights with a potential for 1 more flight making it 3 daily flights.

Only asking because it seems that the crew situation doesn’t seem as complicated or difficult than it was say a couple of months ago and HK has eased (and likely will continue) to ease restrictions even if China mainland still sticks with covid zero.

I am confident that SQ 1/2 will return when the quarantine between China mainland and HK loosens up. Especially during CNY, many pax on this route are from Guangdong. I know many who are eager to fly SQ 1/2 again when it resumes. SQ won't let its flagship route suspended forever. I have learned to be hopeful and patient. The resume of multiple HKG flights is definitely a good sign.

[MainlyMiles]

Latest SQ HKG schedule:

SQ892/893 is reinstated as a passenger flight on SIN-HKG-SIN from 15JAN23, using 359 LH, bringing the route to the promised 3x daily pax ops from mid-Jan, supplementing:

• SQ894/895 77W till 30NOV22, then 388 from 01DEC22 (no change).
• SQ882/883 77W from 15DEC22 (upgrade from original plan, which used 359 LH)

SQ882/883 (359 LH) will continue to operate as a cargo-only flight between now and 14DEC22.
SQ2/1 (359 MH) will also continue to operate as a cargo-only flight throughout the northern winter season.

[SQfanatic]

don’t think so much. Every post of you is asking when SQ will fly SIN-HKG-SFO. if you don’t feel like flying 17hrs in a direct flight , feel free to fly other airlines.

SQ is having crews shortage. To fly SQ1/2 on a 3 time per week basis, they need 4 sets of crews and the layover time is long compare to the direct flight.

SQ2 to HKG, layover 2 days SFO another 2 days. Back to HKG another 2 days plus HKG still test the crews upon arrival.


Compare to 2-3 days layover for a direct SFO flight.
Until SQ sort out their crews, would think SQ2/1 to SFO will not resume anytime soon.

Thanks for the clarification. I guess I will learn to accept that SQ has absolutely no plans to resume HKG-SFO anytime soon given how complicated this sounds. But if you look at the bright side, it’s also good because their 777’s are at least 10-15 years old and despite the new cabin products the aircraft itself is old and the Wifi system is different depending on the age. I hope there will be some consistency when their 777-9’s come and if they do fly SFO-SIN nonstop I may try them. Their A350’s are between 3-5 years old
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There’s absolutely no chance of it happening next Summer in the near term, and probably not so later. Anyway SQ did say that what they have or going is still going to exceed pre-pandemic levels to the US.

After explaining this to both my parents (my dad doesn’t care as he will fly PY and get from A to B), my parents especially my mom agreed let’s do other airlines and explore other places as breaking those flights like 10-8 or 9-9, etc is easiest and I think the same too.

[SQfanatic]

Having seen the recent news, sad to believe SQ26/25 is downguaging to the 77W. But at the same time it’s not all bad because having flown the 2013 Y product 6 years ago, from appearance it still looks like it’s a relatively new product.

At the same time they used 3 A380 to JFK and I guess with many routes picking back up after the pandemic they want to move those A380’s to higher yielding routes. The other point was to address the 777-9 delay which they said they would use more 77W’s they currently have on their heavy routes, I just wonder if they can still get some new of those planes from Boeing?

In terms of SFO since there’s no news about HKG reinstating anytime soon, having recently flown on EK’s 16 hr flight to Dubai (and flying similarly on Sunday back to SFO), my mom has a medical condition which really she wants to avoid longer than 13-14 hours. She is dreading the 17.5 hr flight out of SFO next month.

I suggested after this trip next month, we will look into other carriers, maybe CX, JL, or any European carriers like BA, VS, LH, AF, etc). Plus as my dad pointed out this past trip and this EK flight there’s barely any difference, nothing just stands out the same way it did pre-covid, everything is the same no matter what.

[sbs2716g]

Hard to believe it’s been exactly 1 year that HKG-SFO flights got reinstated with a 77W, then went to an A350 in December/January (likely due to many 77W being moved around and not enough had returned to revenue service back then), but got suspended due to the HKSAR govt directive. SQ8/7 having daytime departures compared to evening/nighttime departures. Those mimicked the CX870/879 departures, although that flight is operating once a week on Wednesdays only on the A350 aircraft.

Now while SQ only has nonstops to SFO (11 weekly with Y class seats), what are the chances this flight can still come back? Remember, in December they are putting 2 daily HKG flights with a potential for 1 more flight making it 3 daily flights.

Only asking because it seems that the crew situation doesn’t seem as complicated or difficult than it was say a couple of months ago and HK has eased (and likely will continue) to ease restrictions even if China mainland still sticks with covid zero.

don’t think so much. Every post of you is asking when SQ will fly SIN-HKG-SFO. if you don’t feel like flying 17hrs in a direct flight , feel free to fly other airlines.

SQ is having crews shortage. To fly SQ1/2 on a 3 time per week basis, they need 4 sets of crews and the layover time is long compare to the direct flight.

SQ2 to HKG, layover 2 days SFO another 2 days. Back to HKG another 2 days plus HKG still test the crews upon arrival.


Compare to 2-3 days layover for a direct SFO flight.
Until SQ sort out their crews, would think SQ2/1 to SFO will not resume anytime soon.

[sbs2716g]

SQ882/883 is reinstated as a passenger flight on SIN-HKG-SIN from 15DEC22, using A350 LH, bringing the route to 2x daily pax ops from mid-Dec including the SQ894/895 (77W in Nov then A380 from 1 Dec).

From 30OCT22 to 14DEC22 SQ882/883 will operate as a cargo-only flight.

SQ2/1 will also operate as a cargo-only flight throughout the winter season using A350 MH, subject to change as a third daily service is expected to be confirmed at some stage.

Sorry wrong info

[SQfanatic]

Hard to believe it’s been exactly 1 year that HKG-SFO flights got reinstated with a 77W, then went to an A350 in December/January (likely due to many 77W being moved around and not enough had returned to revenue service back then), but got suspended due to the HKSAR govt directive. SQ8/7 having daytime departures compared to evening/nighttime departures. Those mimicked the CX870/879 departures, although that flight is operating once a week on Wednesdays only on the A350 aircraft.

Now while SQ only has nonstops to SFO (11 weekly with Y class seats), what are the chances this flight can still come back? Remember, in December they are putting 2 daily HKG flights with a potential for 1 more flight making it 3 daily flights.

Only asking because it seems that the crew situation doesn’t seem as complicated or difficult than it was say a couple of months ago and HK has eased (and likely will continue) to ease restrictions even if China mainland still sticks with covid zero.

[SQfanatic]

I believe SQ2 (to SFO) served a different market, taking advantage of 5th freedom rights. It’s actually the slots out of HKIA which are limited, I believe, which is why they’ve kept the SQ1 departure slot and adjusted SQ2’s departure from changi to fit a turnaround for SQ1’s slot at 0800hrs.

It sounds like a complicated situation even if they want to bring SQ8/7 or any flight number back, especially even if further beyond they want to keep SQ2/1 as a cargo flight.

The worst case that can happen is if SQ882/883 operates as a passenger flight is to time the HKG flight to leave by afternoon and leave SFO late afternoon/early evening (sort of like SIN-TPE-LAX last year on the A359) and arrive to SIN around 4 or 5am. That’s if they have any intention to bring the fifth freedom flight back. Again, we can’t say what is going to happen in the future but it’s just my guesstimate since if they want to bring it back, the flights get spaced apart reasonably.

[sbs2716g]

I can confirm that SIN-HKG flights aren’t full even though they’re marked with no seats available.
On my SQ882 on Tues, there were more than 25 vacant seats in Y. Premium and J also had empty seats.
SQ895 HKG-SIN tonight also looks quite empty - more than 90 seats available for choice on the check in seat map.

so I’m not sure why SQ has chosen to stop ex-SIN sales.

Not enough crew ? Or they want to carry more cargoes ?
or they want to push the paxes to scoot ? Since they are charging $800 to $1000 for one return trip on scoot. (While scoot is selling $200+ one way).

kinda weird that u search 1 way sin-HKG, scoot flight won’t appear. But scoot codeshare only appear for return trips.

[ell3]

Even though SQ2 is a cargo-only flight, it departs SIN at like 3AM, but SQ1, the return flight departs at the same time the old SQ1 (from SFO) departed during the old days. It looks like HKG-SFO isn't coming back this year, but even if it is, they would have to find a different time-slot from SIN.

The current SFO flights, which are nonstop, SQ32 departs at 9:30AM, while SQ34 departs at 6:30PM (it's changing to 8PM for the Winter schedule and likely beyond). So even if HKG-SFO returns, the flight number may likely be different and/or they have to pick a time between SQ882 or sometime after SQ894 (i.e 3 or 4PM). It won't likely be during the 6 or 7PM hour as SQ34 even remains the evening flight well into March and April as an example. Welp, for now I guess I'll have to endure the A350 and see how the long 17.5 hour flight can be managed.

Maybe news of the third HKG flight could loom (and possibly extend to SFO). I may fly SQ again next September (not set in stone) to India, so we shall see then.

I believe SQ2 (to SFO) served a different market, taking advantage of 5th freedom rights. It’s actually the slots out of HKIA which are limited, I believe, which is why they’ve kept the SQ1 departure slot and adjusted SQ2’s departure from changi to fit a turnaround for SQ1’s slot at 0800hrs.

[ell3]

I can confirm that SIN-HKG flights aren’t full even though they’re marked with no seats available.
On my SQ882 on Tues, there were more than 25 vacant seats in Y. Premium and J also had empty seats.
SQ895 HKG-SIN tonight also looks quite empty - more than 90 seats available for choice on the check in seat map.

so I’m not sure why SQ has chosen to stop ex-SIN sales.

[SQfanatic]

SQ882/883 is reinstated as a passenger flight on SIN-HKG-SIN from 15DEC22, using A350 LH, bringing the route to 2x daily pax ops from mid-Dec including the SQ894/895 (77W in Nov then A380 from 1 Dec).

From 30OCT22 to 14DEC22 SQ882/883 will operate as a cargo-only flight.

SQ2/1 will also operate as a cargo-only flight throughout the winter season using A350 MH, subject to change as a third daily service is expected to be confirmed at some stage.

Even though SQ2 is a cargo-only flight, it departs SIN at like 3AM, but SQ1, the return flight departs at the same time the old SQ1 (from SFO) departed during the old days. It looks like HKG-SFO isn't coming back this year, but even if it is, they would have to find a different time-slot from SIN.

The current SFO flights, which are nonstop, SQ32 departs at 9:30AM, while SQ34 departs at 6:30PM (it's changing to 8PM for the Winter schedule and likely beyond). So even if HKG-SFO returns, the flight number may likely be different and/or they have to pick a time between SQ882 or sometime after SQ894 (i.e 3 or 4PM). It won't likely be during the 6 or 7PM hour as SQ34 even remains the evening flight well into March and April as an example. Welp, for now I guess I'll have to endure the A350 and see how the long 17.5 hour flight can be managed.

Maybe news of the third HKG flight could loom (and possibly extend to SFO). I may fly SQ again next September (not set in stone) to India, so we shall see then.

[MainlyMiles]

SQ882/883 is reinstated as a passenger flight on SIN-HKG-SIN from 15DEC22, using A350 LH, bringing the route to 2x daily pax ops from mid-Dec including the SQ894/895 (77W in Nov then A380 from 1 Dec).

From 30OCT22 to 14DEC22 SQ882/883 will operate as a cargo-only flight.

SQ2/1 will also operate as a cargo-only flight throughout the winter season using A350 MH, subject to change as a third daily service is expected to be confirmed at some stage.

[ell3]

Well, for now it’s consistent that the only available flight this week is a scoot one on 27th Oct.
to me what’s really perplexing is that just a few days ago there were seats available on all flights everyday (some still even marked as “Low fare” albeit @ SGD590 and with outbound on scoot).

yea and so if they’re really full, they should just carry pax on those cargo flights. Unless it’s sth to do with permissible slots/daily pax limits by HKIA.