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Old 11th December 2006, 01:54 AM   #1
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Wink Random superficial observations on the new menus

Having glanced through the menus SQfg gave me, I have these questions to ask of my fellow SQ travellers:
  • What would explain the fact that the B******s Class menu is larger than the First Class menu?
  • Why did SQ separate the "Oriental (sic)" selections from the "International" selections in the Economy Class (HKG-SIN route)? Having been schooled in the US, I'm not a fan of the word "Oriental", though I've since realized it's a neutral term in the UK. Did SQ think passengers couldn't tell which selections were Asian?
  • You think they'll start featuring local artists' works again after this initial launch phase, when the menus sport the new dreamy colors of New Y, New J, and New F?
What do y'all think / speculate?
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Old 11th December 2006, 05:20 AM   #2
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I've always been taught that objects like carpets are "Oriental" but not people!

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Did SQ think passengers couldn't tell which selections were Asian?
... which is confusing here at least here in the UK of course.
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Old 11th December 2006, 05:28 AM   #3
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... which is confusing here at least here in the UK of course.
Because the term that is used to clear things up is "Oriental". In the US (or at least, the part where I went to school), the clarifying terms, if needed*, would be "East Asian" and "South Asian".

*I don't think "Ah Yat's style braised sliced pork ..." and "stir fried chicken in oyster mushrooms" have a chance of being mistaken as coming from the subcontinent. So even "Asian" wouldn't need to be clarified in that context.
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Old 11th December 2006, 05:42 AM   #4
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Because the term that is used to clear things up is "Oriental". In the US (or at least, the part where I went to school), the clarifying terms, if needed*, would be "East Asian" and "South Asian".

*I don't think "Ah Yat's style braised sliced pork ..." and "stir fried chicken in oyster mushrooms" have a chance of being mistaken as coming from the subcontinent. So even "Asian" wouldn't need to be clarified in that context.
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I'm actually not quite surprised, but I figure Asian was a more neutral term.
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Old 11th December 2006, 05:46 AM   #5
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You'd be surprised to see how dumb people are nowadays.
Oh I'm not surprised about how narrow people's "need-to-know" boundaries are defined. But let's place it in context: the "Oriental" selection was on the SIN-HKG route.

Oh well. Maybe I'm just a bit touchy on the subject.
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Old 11th December 2006, 05:34 AM   #6
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[*]What would explain the fact that the B******s Class menu is larger than the First Class menu?
Maybe it's to appease the C people?

C Passenger: "Why did they remove the Raffles Class name?"
Cute SQ Girl: "Look, here's the menu. It's bigger than First Class."
C Passenger: "Oh. Okay then."
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Old 11th December 2006, 05:39 AM   #7
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Maybe it's to appease the C people?

C Passenger: "Why did they remove the Raffles Class name?"
Cute SQ Girl: "Look, here's the menu. It's bigger than First Class."
C Passenger: "Oh. Okay then."


But I have a feeling that with you, it would be more like:

gt84: "Why did they remove the Raffles Class name?"
Cute SQ Girl: "I'm so sorry, Mr gt84. May I offer you some champagne?" (apologetic sweet smile)
gt84: "Oh. Okay then." (sinks speechlessly thereafter, with a silly grin, into his seat)


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But I have a feeling that with you, it would be more like:

gt84: "Why did they remove the Raffles Class name?"
Cute SQ Girl: "I'm so sorry, Mr gt84. May I offer you some champagne?" (apologetic sweet smile)
gt84: "Oh. Okay then." (sinks speechlessly thereafter, with a silly grin, into his seat)


Aw. Yeah. That's what usually happens.

Back on topic, so maybe you are a little touchy. Asian (or Southeast Asian regional specialty) would have been just fine.
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Old 11th December 2006, 05:55 AM   #9
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Back on topic, so maybe you are a little touchy. Asian (or Southeast Asian regional specialty) would have been just fine.
Um, I thought I had been advocating the term "Asian". SQ used "Oriental".
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Um, I thought I had been advocating the term "Asian". SQ used "Oriental".
I know. I have no preference really.
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Old 11th December 2006, 10:45 AM   #11
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Yes, jjpb3 was rather surprised at the size of the J menu vs the F one. Having said that - the F one's thicker.
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Old 11th December 2006, 10:56 AM   #12
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Yes, jjpb3 was rather surprised at the size of the J menu vs the F one. Having said that - the F one's thicker.
And the new binder is so much nicer than the older one.
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Old 16th December 2006, 06:07 PM   #13
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Did SQ think passengers couldn't tell which selections were Asian?
This is the way menus are usually written....no?

I cannot imagine if SQ jumbled up everything on a menu and hope that all pax knows what shi quan shi mei is or which is the main and which is the hors d'oeuvre.
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This is the way menus are usually written....no?

I cannot imagine if SQ jumbled up everything on a menu and hope that all pax knows what shi quan shi mei is or which is the main and which is the hors d'oeuvre.
Actually, in the "oriental selection" for the specific Y menu I was reading, the appetizer and light bites both had the word "Chinese" in the description. The main course was "stir fried chicken in oyster mushrooms ...", along with a footnote about being exclusively created by Yeung Koon Yat of Hong Kong. So potential confusion between Western and non-Western courses would seem like a non-issue.

But my question was also about the use of the word "Oriental". When shi quan shi mei was introduced in F, it was billed as: Shi Quan Shi Mei – “A complete and perfect Chinese culinary experience”. That's a lot more precise adjective rather than the vague, old-fashioned "Oriental". Given the focus on modernizing the brand (Raffles --> Business), I'm surprised by the use of "Oriental".
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Actually, in the "oriental selection" for the specific Y menu I was reading, the appetizer and light bites both had the word "Chinese" in the description. The main course was "stir fried chicken in oyster mushrooms ...", along with a footnote about being exclusively created by Yeung Koon Yat of Hong Kong. So potential confusion between Western and non-Western courses would seem like a non-issue.

But my question was also about the use of the word "Oriental". When shi quan shi mei was introduced in F, it was billed as: Shi Quan Shi Mei – “A complete and perfect Chinese culinary experience”. That's a lot more precise adjective rather than the vague, old-fashioned "Oriental". Given the focus on modernizing the brand (Raffles --> Business), I'm surprised by the use of "Oriental".


Totally AGREE that the term ORIENTAL is vague and old-fashioned. Derogatory??....I *** think so anymore At least it doesn't bother the people living in ASIA.
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