Type of Seats in the Refurbished 773s (77A / 73A)

[zvezda]

I would think it has to do with capacity - the new J is eating up to much space per seat. More seats, more revenue...

Actually, not in this economic climate. SQ cannot fill the seats. Better seats would result in higher yields.

[-F-]

Seems like SQ has a seat map for the "73A" but are not releasing it yet.

http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_U...3/B777-300.gif

The made some changes to the current 773 seat map titles. "Layout 2" is a new addition.

But its not the seatmap for the refurbished 777 aircraft

[SQJunkie]

But its not the seatmap for the refurbished 777 aircraft

By implication, Layout 1 (when it appears) will be for the 73A.

[SQJunkie]

I would think it has to do with capacity - the new J is eating up to much space per seat. More seats, more revenue...

Actually, not in this economic climate. SQ cannot fill the seats. Better seats would result in higher yields.

I think SMK777 might mean that the regional J being a smaller seat would allow for more Y seats, which are easier to fill.

and.....

is zvezda saying that the regional J is a better seat than the new J

[zvezda]

is zvezda saying that the regional J is a better seat than the new J?

Not at all.

I'm saying that now would be a good time to reconfigure the 777-200ERs -- both fully rated and de-rated.

Replacing a larger number of SpaceBeds (which SQ can't fill now anyway) with a smaller number of new long-haul J seats would be a good move because it would raise yields. Similarly, replacing a larger number of Ultimo seats (which SQ can't fill now anyway) with a smaller number of new regional J seats would raise yields.

Also, now is a good time to pull aircraft from operation for refitting because SQ have a capacity surplus.

[SQJunkie]

Ah, clear now. Thanks for clearing that up.
Of course, the preference is for the regional J over the Spacebed and Ultimo.
D'uh!

[SMK77]

Not at all.

I'm saying that now would be a good time to reconfigure the 777-200ERs -- both fully rated and de-rated.

Replacing a larger number of SpaceBeds (which SQ can't fill now anyway) with a smaller number of new long-haul J seats would be a good move because it would raise yields. Similarly, replacing a larger number of Ultimo seats (which SQ can't fill now anyway) with a smaller number of new regional J seats would raise yields.

Also, now is a good time to pull aircraft from operation for refitting because SQ have a capacity surplus.

The number of seats would not change. New Regional J and SpaceBed are eating up about the same amount of space. SQ will not put the new (international) J on any refurbished aircraft as they cannot make enough yield surplus to cover the lost number of seats at the moment.

[-F-]

The number of seats would not change. New Regional J and SpaceBed are eating up about the same amount of space. SQ will not put the new (international) J on any refurbished aircraft as they cannot make enough yield surplus to cover the lost number of seats at the moment.

But the new F and regional F take up different space... so the number of seats would change.

[SMK77]

But the new F and regional F take up different space... so the number of seats would change.

That's true - we will see what routes will keep F. I am assuming that most regional flights will only offer J and Y going forward. Only international destinations with new J will see F as well...

[zvezda]

The number of seats would not change. New Regional J and SpaceBed are eating up about the same amount of space.

The new regional J is not likely to be replacing SpaceBeds because the new long-haul J is set to replace the SpaceBeds and the new regional J is set to replace the old regional J.

SQ will not put the new (international) J on any refurbished aircraft as they cannot make enough yield surplus to cover the lost number of seats at the moment.

SQ have already fitted the new long-haul J on the refurbished A340-500s and it appears to be the plan for the 9V-SV* subfleet also. On the other hand, if SQ were to install the new regional J on the 9V-SVO subfleet, how many seats would be lost per aircraft?

[Russ]

New Long Haul J in SVx subfleet?
That will be about 20-22 seats between Door 1 and 2 - I suppose if they want to maintain 30 seats, then that sacrifices 36 Economy, making it 28/30C 220Y or thereabouts.

Or they could do 20C 255Y in view of the low C demand

[zvezda]

New Long Haul J in SVx subfleet?
That will be about 20-22 seats between Door 1 and 2 - I suppose if they want to maintain 30 seats, then that sacrifices 36 Economy, making it 28/30C 220Y or thereabouts.

Or they could do 20C 255Y in view of the low C demand

Actually, 6 rows of 4-abreast new Business Class fit between doors 1 and 2. I believe SQ could probably get more revenue from 24 of the new Business Class seats than from 30 SpaceBeds. There is also a substantial weight advantage.

[SMK77]

The new regional J is not likely to be replacing SpaceBeds because the new long-haul J is set to replace the SpaceBeds and the new regional J is set to replace the old regional J.

That plan has died a silent death - to break-even SQ would have to charge 25% more than competition for a seat in J and that plan is as successful as the culling of PPS benefits...

If I was CEO of SQ I wished the new J would have never been introduced...

SQ will have to back a bit - I think we will see F on the A380 and we will see regional J on the refurbished 77x. Regional J is an improvement of the old Spacebed - the reviews I have read so far are good and I will test the seats pretty soon myself.

[milehighj]

I believe SQ could probably get more revenue from 24 of the new Business Class seats than from 30 SpaceBeds.

At the moment SQ is getting probably 20-35% less revenue on their most lucrative sectors, per business class seat - New or Spacebed.

[nursalimLPP]

I still havent heard anything new about regional F yets..... SAD!