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Great posts flyguy, boing & Stratoliner777! Great to see a thread go into thoughtful, factual discussion like this.
It's an interesting point about the Suites offering. The A380 picked up from where the 747 began with offering airlines the possibility of adding elements of private jet interior design into their fit outs. Airports resized gates and tarmac to accommodate these planes. It seems really surreal for the trend to suddenly go smaller. Am I correct in assuming there's now nothing bigger in the Airbus sales catalogue than an A350?
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With the demise of A380, I foresee First class going the way of the dodo. Major airlines, SQ included, are reducing or eliminating F altogether on the latest aircrafts.
With floorprint vastly reduced in newer generation aircraft and the difference between F and J cabins reducing, F class days are numbered.
Millenials are also starting to form a bigger share in the travel demographics. If past experience with the millenials holds true, they would be another nail in the coffin for F. J would be the new F and PEY the replacement for J. Just my 2 cents.
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Originally posted by Chucksta View PostWhy doesn't SQ have F on the direct Sin LAX or Sin EWR flights? I would have thought F would be more in demand on these ultra long haul flights?
Also J on the direct flights are much cheaper than going through NRT and FRA.
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Originally posted by boing View PostWith the demise of A380, I foresee First class going the way of the dodo. Major airlines, SQ included, are reducing or eliminating F altogether on the latest aircrafts.
With floorprint vastly reduced in newer generation aircraft and the difference between F and J cabins reducing, F class days are numbered.
Millenials are also starting to form a bigger share in the travel demographics. If past experience with the millenials holds true, they would be another nail in the coffin for F. J would be the new F and PEY the replacement for J. Just my 2 cents.
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Originally posted by SQ228 View PostGreat posts flyguy, boing & Stratoliner777! Great to see a thread go into thoughtful, factual discussion like this.
It's an interesting point about the Suites offering. The A380 picked up from where the 747 began with offering airlines the possibility of adding elements of private jet interior design into their fit outs. Airports resized gates and tarmac to accommodate these planes. It seems really surreal for the trend to suddenly go smaller. Am I correct in assuming there's now nothing bigger in the Airbus sales catalogue than an A350?
As for Suites, SQ likes to say in official videos that they are "taking advantage of the real estate" on the Superjumbo. That being said, EK has put its fully-enclosed suites on its 77Ws. It's an interesting contrast with SQ in that EK's best product is on a twinjet widebody. In a similar vein, AF's new F class is on their 77W, and is better than the corresponding product on their purported flagship. QR's world-beating J class is on their 77W too.
It's likely that the SQ Suites would fit in say a 777-9 cabin (given that it is wider than the A380 upper deck, although I wonder whether a single aisle would be allowed.
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Originally posted by boing View PostJ would be the new F and PEY the replacement for J.
J products today already outshines F of not-too-distant yesterday. Not only that, many companies are downshifting employee air-travel benefits.
So it makes very logical sense to target the former-F passengers with really good J offerings, and use PEY as a safety net for those dropping out of J.
Back to topic - I feel sad to see the end of the A380 but having said that, whenever given a choice of flying a 777 vs the whalejet, I've always picked the former. And that is despite having always only flown premium cabin in the A380. I'd shudder at the thought of being the last passenger off the huge plane and joining the long immigration queue.
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Would prefer tha A380 due to its "quietness" and spaciousness but except the many people and longer wait at the baggage carousel on arival. And the best seat in the new A380 is the first row of the PEY and the first seat on the plane. However we still would have at least the next 15 years or so to enjoy flying the A380s, unless the fuel prices goes up too high for airlines to retire them much earlier.Last edited by flyguy; 16 February 2019, 02:32 PM.
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Originally posted by Chucksta View PostAirbus could always see if new engines and new wing shapes can make the A380 more efficient.
Seems like a waste to just throw away all that engineering. It’s only been 12 years since the first revenue flight.
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Originally posted by Chucksta View PostIs the 747-800 more fuel efficient than the A380?
Does anyone know why the 747-800 isn’t as popular with airlines?
On hindsight, if Airbus had continued with the freighter version of A380, I personally feel it wouldn't be facing its demise right now. Remembered Fedex and UPS ordering A380Fs only for Airbus to cancel it to concentrate on gettings its delays straightened.
With its ability to carry a high volume payload across 3 decks and the present trend of shopping online across the globe, it would have been a good fit for cargo airlines.
It would also have had the flexibility to be converted to a freighter leading it to usefulness after its retirement from pax service.
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