A350 Deliveries and Routes

[bent]

Could we see a permanent A350 service to HKG and NRT/HND soon?

be careful what you wish for! ^^

[SQ-77W]

Could we see a permanent A350 service to HKG and NRT/HND soon?

I can see them swopping the 772s out for perhaps the regional A350s on HKG and NRT. But let's hope the 77Ws stay for HND.

[Pinkfloyd]

Could we see a permanent A350 service to HKG and NRT/HND soon?

Hope not as I still like my "O" fares to / from HND!

[SQ319]

Could we see a permanent A350 service to HKG and NRT/HND soon?

On the flight I took to HND, the load for F actually looks quite healthy (I'm usually one of the last to board, even after the F passengers).

So maybe not for HND...

NRT loads (especially for 638/637 compared to 12/11) however is much lighter compared to the HND routes.

[SQ228]

NRT loads (especially for 638/637 compared to 12/11) however is much lighter compared to the HND routes.

I find this really interesting. Only a year ago, SQ was still throwing their latest products at SQ638/7 as well as seasonal A380 services, complete with 12 suites to fill. SQ12/11 was always an A380.

Now the flights have been bumped down to an old 772 without F and a 77W respectively. NRT has gone from 24 F seats per day down to just 4! Were all those seats flying about empty before?

[dfs24]

I believe when HND first started, it was a bunch of 333 and 772 serving it. Now we have 2 77W and 1 773. So from 0 seats to 24 seats there. I would say the Tokyo seats have moved to HND. The LA seats are now split between NRT and ICN.

Perhaps the demand is not great NRT-LAX given that NH and JL have quite strong products too.

[SQfanatic]

I believe when HND first started, it was a bunch of 333 and 772 serving it. Now we have 2 77W and 1 773. So from 0 seats to 24 seats there. I would say the Tokyo seats have moved to HND. The LA seats are now split between NRT and ICN.

Perhaps the demand is not great NRT-LAX given that NH and JL have quite strong products too.

I initially thought NRT-LAX had a great demand just like HKG-SFO (Back in the day when both routes were served with 744's). But yes, I agree about the LA seats as I am sure some people booked in R were switched to F on one of the LAX routes. I do not know if SQ actually has 5th freedom rights to fly from HND to anywhere in the US.

I know someone mentioned HND is losing F, but which flight pair is it? All HND flights have F (77W, 773, and 77WN). It looks possible it could go to 77WR or even A350, maybe the longhaul or regional version (I am told the regional version will start with SML).

[SQfanatic]

I can see them swopping the 772s out for perhaps the regional A350s on HKG and NRT. But let's hope the 77Ws stay for HND.

I thought of that too, the regional A350's are definitely a bigger sign it will replace the A333 and 772 aircraft.

[SQ-77W]

I find this really interesting. Only a year ago, SQ was still throwing their latest products at SQ638/7 as well as seasonal A380 services, complete with 12 suites to fill. SQ12/11 was always an A380.

Now the flights have been bumped down to an old 772 without F and a 77W respectively. NRT has gone from 24 F seats per day down to just 4! Were all those seats flying about empty before?

I flew on SQ638 last May and it was pretty light in F with 3 pax. F load on SQ12 is always heavier, though it's a little odd to me that SQ would choose to fly the 77WR with only 4 F seats. Trade-off for PEY I assume.

I believe when HND first started, it was a bunch of 333 and 772 serving it. Now we have 2 77W and 1 773. So from 0 seats to 24 seats there.

SQ started HND with double daily 77W in Oct 2010. If I recall correctly, they downgraded the 77Ws to the A333 and 772s after the 2011 earthquake due to decreased demand, before ramping services up to thrice daily when HND released more coveted international slots with favourable timings. The deliveries of the newest 8 77Ws has also freed up sufficient birds to allow SQ to re-assign them on the HND flights.

I do not know if SQ actually has 5th freedom rights to fly from HND to anywhere in the US.

HND slots are hard to get and even NH and JL are squabbling over that. On the other hand, NRT slots seems easier to get due to the exodus of flights to HND. I'm pretty sure SQ won't want to utilise two of their precious slots in HND for a daily departure to the USA, even if they are permitted to. They would rather have an 3 daily flights between SIN-HND to take advantage of HND's proximity to the city centre, than one daily SIN-HND and SIN-HND-LAX. NRT is the better choice for 5th freedom flights.

[thatkevinchen]

Could we see a permanent A350 service to HKG and NRT/HND soon?

May not be permanent but got an email today that my SQ633 flight in Jan 2017 just got swapped from a 77W to a 359.

[9V-SPL]

Got some info on the first flight dates for the upcoming A350s.

9V-SMG: 10 Nov
9V-SMH: 18 Nov
9V-SMI: 29 Nov

If the first flights go according to plan, then we should expect to see 3 more A350s join the SQ fleet before the end of this year.

Has 9V-SMG done her first flight yet?

[ycp81]

From Airlineroute:

Singapore Airlines starting next month is launching 2 Airbus A350-900XWB operating routes, reflected in today’s schedule update. Planned new A350 routes as follow.

eff 13DEC16 Singapore – Tokyo Haneda A350 operates SQ632/633 5 times a week
SQ632 SIN0805 – 1535HND 359 x14
SQ632 SIN0805 – 1535HND 77W 14
SQ634 SIN1405 – 2140HND 773 D
SQ636 SIN2245 – 0620+1HND 77W D

SQ631 HND0850 – 1525SIN 77W D
SQ633 HND1640 – 2320SIN 359 x14
SQ633 HND1640 – 2320SIN 77W 14
SQ635 HND2250 – 0525+1SIN 773 D

eff 15DEC16 Singapore – Moscow Domodedovo A350 operates on 2 of 4 weekly service
SQ362 SIN0015 – 0620DME 359 14
SQ362 SIN0015 – 0620DME 77W 26

SQ361 DME1445 – 0615+1SIN 359 14
SQ361 DME1445 – 0615+1SIN 77W 26

[ycp81]

From Airlineroute:



eff 13DEC16 Singapore – Tokyo Haneda A350 operates SQ632/633 5 times a week
SQ632 SIN0805 – 1535HND 359 x14
SQ632 SIN0805 – 1535HND 77W 14
SQ634 SIN1405 – 2140HND 773 D
SQ636 SIN2245 – 0620+1HND 77W D

SQ631 HND0850 – 1525SIN 77W D
SQ633 HND1640 – 2320SIN 359 x14
SQ633 HND1640 – 2320SIN 77W 14
SQ635 HND2250 – 0525+1SIN 773 D

And with such great luck, my flights on SQ632/633 to HND in Jan 17 are on Thurs and Monday respectively....

[SQKevin]

Has 9V-SMG done her first flight yet?

Not yet. She just had her first engine run last Friday. Hope to see her in the air by the end of this week.

[SQ319]

I find this really interesting. Only a year ago, SQ was still throwing their latest products at SQ638/7 as well as seasonal A380 services, complete with 12 suites to fill. SQ12/11 was always an A380.

Now the flights have been bumped down to an old 772 without F and a 77W respectively. NRT has gone from 24 F seats per day down to just 4! Were all those seats flying about empty before?

I still remember the time when 638/NRT was the 3rd A380 destination after SYD and LHR, but those were the days before HND opened to international traffic.

Don't think those seats were empty, just that the traffic was diverted from NRT to HND. HND now has decent products too, with 632 being served with 77W and 636 served with the 77WR. It's so much more convenient to travel from HND compared to NRT.