A350 Deliveries and Routes

[yuuka_miya]

Although it makes me think that if they were going to change the MTOW and general performance characteristics, why not just jump to SJx directly?

They can still offer the standard seat map...

[SQ957]

Is it likely that the new batch of long haul A350s will be delivered with 280t MTOW? That would be very nicely suited for nonstops to SEA, SFO and even LAX (if SQ decides to put a standard long haul bird there).

The current long haul A350s all have 275t.

[vasqflyer]

This is great confirmation of what we've expected for a while that more long hauls would be on the way. BNE was able to supply some extra long hauls by switching to regional config but not all.

We should see IST go A350 with this new set, as well as providing SEA with a plane. CPH is going daily A350, MXP is increasing to daily, possible movements with MAN running at such high capacity on the SIN-MAN sector could occur and I might not be surprised if we saw DUS add capacity at least on a seasonal basis.

I am very interested to see what this will mean for the US operations. The 5 new long haul A350s will probably get allocated (to the extent possible) to SEA the non ULR SFO flight. The ULR development resulted in a range increase for all A350s ( will go back and check for the link - I posted it on another thread a while back) which should allow SFO and SEA without blocking any seats.

I think it is possible we may see of the ULR LAX flights shift to the 'new' standard config A350s which should help reduce the PE glut the LAX. This could let let the ULR open up another 3 frequencies to EWR?

I am sure SQ will restructure the direct US flights somehow - looking at pricing, Business from SIN is doing well (SFO is their highest priced destination regularly). LAX and EWR are up there too. PE is still often sold for around the same price as the one stop Economy product. The worst is LAX because of the volume. SFO only has the 3 PE heavy ULR flights each week and EWR is just the one flight. LAX has the daily and extra 3 weekly flights which is clearly a struggle to fill.

AS SQ228 pointed out, the extra capacity will enable the IST, MXP and CPN changes - just more likely to get the older aircraft.

[SQ957]

To answer your question on Y class seats:

359R has 263 Y-class seat
78X has 301 Y-class seats

Whereas the A330 has 253 Y-class seats so it does make sense why the 359R is being used on the A330/772 routes and not the 78X.

Looks like MAA may go 359R.

FYI, the A330 has 255 Economy class seats.

To answer your question, the 78X is also replacing A330/772 routes along with the 359R. For example, starting May 1, the 78X will replace a 772 on SQ402/401 to DEL, and replace the A330 on: SQ 602/603, SQ 608/607 (both ICN); SQ 946/947 (DPS) and SQ 970/973 (BKK).

Hopefully you are wondering no more.

(Sorry for going out of thread)

[SQ228]

To answer your question on Y class seats:

359R has 263 Y-class seats
78X has 301 Y-class seats

Whereas the A330 has 253 Y-class seats so it does make sense why the 359R is being used on the A330/772 routes and not the 78X.

Looks like MAA may go 359R.

No, to answer YOUR question. The rest of us didn't need to know any of this because we've known it for ages and if we weren't sure we would look it up before posting out of consideration for others.

[SQfanatic]

Stop wondering and go to Singaporeair.com to find out yourself.

To answer your question on Y class seats:

359R has 263 Y-class seats
78X has 301 Y-class seats

Whereas the A330 has 253 Y-class seats so it does make sense why the 359R is being used on the A330/772 routes and not the 78X.

Looks like MAA may go 359R.

[SQfanatic]

Seriously, are you are joking about this? You've been speculating about the assignment of new aircraft to Indian routes for absolutely months and haven't bothered to check one of several, well known sources for this highly relevant information?

I have heard some discussion though that SQ were looking at developing a specific seating variation of the 78X for Indian routes in conjunction with Vistara...

I made a mistake....I meant to say that CCU and BLR get the 350 Regional Variant while BOM gets the longhaul 359 variant. That's what I meant to say - I switched them around.

[sbs2716g]

Seriously, are you are joking about this? You've been speculating about the assignment of new aircraft to Indian routes for absolutely months and haven't bothered to check one of several, well known sources for this highly relevant information?

I have heard some discussion though that SQ were looking at developing a specific seating variation of the 78X for Indian routes in conjunction with Vistara...

Cos he is too busy with which CX planes is being fitted with WiFi nowadays. Further he have switch his trips from SQ to CX.

[yuuka_miya]

I'd be putting my money on the 2013 product. Operationally you really don't want a small subset of the same aircraft having a different product. They will still be new seats, just an older design. I couldn't be certain about this, but if the J product is the 2013 design which it would be for sure, there may be compatibility issues if you put 2017 Y seats in with different IFE. Or maybe I have this wrong and the screens and controllers would work with other systems so it's dependent purely on the server?

Would it be possible to have 2017Y but with an identical seat map?

[SQ957]

I believe the (new) A380s and the 787s have the 2017 Y seats with essentially the same Panasonic eX3 IFE system as on the original A350s with the 2013 Y seats.

The new A380s have the older 11.1 inch screen (which I believe is identical to the 77W and A350 ones), while the 787s have a newer 11.6 inch screen with slimmer bezels. Those screen sizes were mentioned in their respective press releases:

A380: https://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/u.../ne2117-171102

787: https://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/u.../ne1218-180328

[SQ228]

I believe the (new) A380s and the 787s have the 2017 Y seats with essentially the same Panasonic eX3 IFE system as on the original A350s with the 2013 Y seats.

If they do use the 2013 Y seats though, I wonder if they will remove the touch screen remote. That must have saved quite a bit of weight on the newer aircraft.

Ah right, so it's the A350 regionals that went over to Thales then. If they use the 2013 seats I'd expect them to have the remote because the seatback design will be identical. Given it's only an extra 5 planes and they will go into regular rotation with the first 21, I just can't see any appetite for change, especially when you consider the second order of A330s getting the same product.

[a340-313x]

I believe the (new) A380s and the 787s have the 2017 Y seats with essentially the same Panasonic eX3 IFE system as on the original A350s with the 2013 Y seats.

If they do use the 2013 Y seats though, I wonder if they will remove the touch screen remote. That must have saved quite a bit of weight on the newer aircraft.

[SQ228]

Do you think the new long-haul A350's will have the 2017 economy seats or get the 2013 seats that are on the other long-haul A350's?

I'd be putting my money on the 2013 product. Operationally you really don't want a small subset of the same aircraft having a different product. They will still be new seats, just an older design. I couldn't be certain about this, but if the J product is the 2013 design which it would be for sure, there may be compatibility issues if you put 2017 Y seats in with different IFE. Or maybe I have this wrong and the screens and controllers would work with other systems so it's dependent purely on the server?

[SQavgeek]

Do you think the new long-haul A350's will have the 2017 economy seats or get the 2013 seats that are on the other long-haul A350's?

[SQ957]

It's neat to know the regional A350's are also taking over India routes, especially both BLR and CCU and BOM served by the longhaul A350.

MAA should eventually be next in the loop either with a 78X or a regional 359 - I wonder what the capacity difference of Y in both the 78X and regional 359 are.

First of all, please provide your proof that BLR and CCU are currently served by the long haul A350.

Second, SQ does not deploy new aircraft based on your wishes.

Third, for a user who reads/posts on these threads regularly, you still wonder about something that has been discussed upthread and in others, or even through a simple internet search.