The Great SQTalk 77W vs A380 Debate

[CarbonMan]

You may be the only one.

No, there are at least two.

[SMK77]

Would love to see reliable evidence that the A380 has "higher humidity" and "a smoother ride" vs 77W. I've heard the direct opposite (from an SIA captain, no less), so I'm *very* eager to hear a source for these

Your captain might confuse 77W and 787: The Dreamliner is the first aircraft after the A380 allowing for higher humidity and different cabin pressure.

[MAN Flyer]

Same here. Prefer a 77W to an A380 anytime.

Another vote for the 77W. The 380 lost its' appeal a long time ago, and this is not limited to SQ.

+3. All day, every day, and twice at weekends. That forward mini J cabin on the 77W has no JCL equal. Anywhere.

The only way the 380 is preferable to the 77W is in F, and that is because you are comparing Suites to JCL+.

A380 is still the bird to go. Smoother ride, higher humidity and less noise. If you sleep most of the flight, this is what matters.

I don't doubt the noise issue, the engines are quieter and you are further away from them in J on the 77W. However, I never have trouble sleeping on night flight on the 77W so it makes no difference to me.

As for the myth about the humidity......like anyone gets on board and says 'Ooh, I like the humidity on this aircraft, it's fabulous'.

SQ both have too many Suites on the A380 and service as a result is never top notch. LH and MH have only 8 seats in First which is about right.

But SQ's Suites are rarely full, at least each time I have flown them, so the service is always top notch. I've flown solo in Suites twice in the last 12 months. Be nice if this Fridays 319 is similar...

Your captain might confuse 77W and 787:

If there is an SQ Captain who believes he has been flying around in a 787 rather than a 77W I sincerely hope he is not flying me anywhere any time soon.

[SMK77]

As for the myth about the humidity......like anyone gets on board and says 'Ooh, I like the humidity on this aircraft, it's fabulous'.

I fully agree with that statement. You will only be able to tell the difference after 6 hours asleep. Waking up on an A380 is a difference to any other aircraft and only 787 and 350 will be matching that.

But SQ's Suites are rarely full, at least each time I have flown them, so the service is always top notch. I've flown solo in Suites twice in the last 12 months. Be nice if this Fridays 319 is similar...

I have been on three flights in Suites that were 12/12 and service wasn't up to SQ standards.

And it's not a question of full or not: 12 seats is 4 too many. You don't wanna take chances.

If there is an SQ Captain who believes he has been flying around in a 787 rather than a 77W I sincerely hope he is not flying me anywhere any time soon.

Overconfidence in one's own aircraft doesn't make me comfortable either. Just because he is jealous of his colleagues flying the big bird that's not a reason to mispresent the facts...

[SQ228]

I vote 77W. If you can only afford Y, A380 makes you feel like cattle, and there are way too few toilets on the ground floor per capita. But, the extra available seats do help keep prices down and competition up, so I'm not going to complain about SQ217/8 going A380- any available seat is better than none.

Air quality on the A380 would vary depending on specification. QF still have the individual blowers above each seat. LH's A380 dried me out noticeably more than any other craft I've been on. As for sleeping, I can sleep on almost any flight for hours, so ask someone else

[FlyingDan]

I too prefer 77W, even in F. I'm not a fan of suites at all - I'm far from claustrophobic but it seems to me SQ is trying a little too hard with the seat. Also, 12 vs 8 seats is a big difference and I too noticed better service on a 77W. I'm too tall to sleep in either seat (unless I'm really, really tired) so can't comment on how comfy it is for sleeping. To me, the 77W feels more exclusive than the 388.

[crazycrab955]

Overconfidence in one's own aircraft doesn't make me comfortable either. Just because he is jealous of his colleagues flying the big bird that's not a reason to mispresent the facts...

The next Boeing pilot I meet who is jealous of someone flying an Airbus will be the first.

[MAN Flyer]

I fully agree with that statement. You will only be able to tell the difference after 6 hours asleep.

Sorry but I am not buying that. I've flown on the 380 many times now, including sleeping for less than and more than 6 hours, and I have noticed nothing different from other aircraft.

I have been on three flights in Suites that were 12/12 and service wasn't up to SQ standards.

And it's not a question of full or not: 12 seats is 4 too many. You don't wanna take chances.

Interesting point of view. 12 should be more than mangeable but the very nature of the Suites means more work than previous aircraft with 12 seats in F.

Overconfidence in one's own aircraft doesn't make me comfortable either. Just because he is jealous of his colleagues flying the big bird that's not a reason to mispresent the facts...

You gotta being joking. The last time I asked a 777 Captain if he would be flying the 380 he said 'Please God, no!'. And why would they be jealous of flying something that's fat, ugly, got dodgy wings and disperses engines over Batam.

I too prefer 77W, even in F.

Proof, if it were needed, that we are indeed all individuals.

The next Boeing pilot I meet who is jealous of someone flying an Airbus will be the first.

Quite.

[cplh]

Not a fan of the A380 in Y. enplaning and deplaning always a nightmare. But it really boils down to your preferences

boarding at SFO was already a zoo-like experience with the 777 so it will be even more exciting with the A380

[9V-SIA]

Vote for 77W here.

Apart from what's already been stated, in F:

1. Ratio PAX:Toilet 4:1 ( A380 Suite 6:1 )

2. You get off the plane first. ( A380. Upper deck aerobridge is the first to dock )

In J, also prefer 77W. Will write TR on all upper deck A380 soon

[SMK77]

Vote for 77W here.

Apart from what's already been stated, in F:

1. Ratio PAX:Toilet 4:1 ( A380 Suite 6:1 )

2. You get off the plane first. ( A380. Upper deck aerobridge is the first to dock )

In J, also prefer 77W. Will write TR on all upper deck A380 soon

They offer F on 77W? I thought they just mislabelled the first two rows of Business Class. Although, giving it a second thought, the TV was slightly bigger.

I get why people like rows 11 and 12. But 77W F is not worth it.

[9V-SIA]

They offer F on 77W? I thought they just mislabelled the first two rows of Business Class. Although, giving it a second thought, the TV was slightly bigger.

I get why people like rows 11 and 12. But 77W F is not worth it.

There's a lot of complaints here about F on the 77W.
Yes it looks like the J seat but offers more pitch. Not sure about width.
In practical terms, significantly improved headroom and legroom when in bed mode for those who toss and turn a lot in your sleep.
After sleeping in 77W F, J is cramped. 77W, A345 or A380

[SQueeze]

They offer F on 77W? I thought they just mislabelled the first two rows of Business Class. Although, giving it a second thought, the TV was slightly bigger.

I get why people like rows 11 and 12. But 77W F is not worth it.

I think it's not worth it if you pay for it. But for redemption, it's only slightly more than J - about 30-35% more, which is its true value considering the better lounge, better food, less hectic service, better tv, and more pitch and thank god no stiff blue 'blankets'.

For me, definitely 77W for J
A380 UD for Y but prefer 77W to A380 LD
For F vs Suites. Prefer Suites for sleeping and dining together and 77W in the sitting mode. Suites's seats feel like an office set-up.

[SQueeze]

There's a lot of complaints here about F on the 77W.
Yes it looks like the J seat but offers more pitch. Not sure about width.
In practical terms, significantly improved headroom and legroom when in bed mode for those who toss and turn a lot in your sleep.
After sitting in 77W F, J is cramped. 77W, A345 or A380

Width is better because the F table pulls out from the front and is not stored at the sides.

[concept|infinit]

A380 is still the bird to go. Smoother ride, higher humidity and less noise. If you sleep most of the flight, this is what matters.

That's the primary reason I'd go for the A380 over the 77W.

Also I like that it feels more roomy because the cabin is bigger.

And especially if its a 380 with Y in the upper deck. 2-4-2 instead of 3-4-3 configuration + extra storage compartment by the window.

I'll take a 380 whenever possible.

Boarding and alighting is the drawback here but I'm very patient. I'd always wait till most pax have boarded before joining in the queue. For alighting, I'd stay put in my seat till everyone gets off


Desert Traveller: Why not try both? take one on your outbound flight and the other on your inbound