Upcoming FCO to SIN - Retrofit 772?

[RomeFlyer]

Hi, all. I'm flying from Rome to SIN in a couple weeks. I was wondering if there's a way to know if the 722 on this route has been retrofitted. Any suggestions? Thanks!

[jasonahl]

SQ366 & SQ365 is still the old 777-200ER, Biz class is the old Space Bed, I just did a SQ366 middle of June, still those 9V-SV* metal, 30 Biz class seats & 255 EY class seats.

[RomeFlyer]

SQ366 & SQ365 is still the old 777-200ER, Biz class is the old Space Bed, I just did a SQ366 middle of June, still those 9V-SV* metal, 30 Biz class seats & 255 EY class seats.

Blah. Thanks for the info. SQ has really left Europe in the lurch.

[SQMilan]

Blah. Thanks for the info. SQ has really left Europe in the lurch.

It is not true, in Europe only FCO, CPH, ATH and IST (with the exception of Istanbul, all the other are served only by 2-3xw) have the 772, the other destinations are served by 777-300ER or A380-800. I don't think that SQ has left Europe in the lurch...

[RomeFlyer]

It is not true, in Europe only FCO, CPH, ATH and IST (with the exception of Istanbul, all the other are served only by 2-3xw) have the 772, the other destinations are served by 777-300ER or A380-800. I don't think that SQ has left Europe in the lurch...

Given the length of the flights, I would have hoped in this day and age, with an airline the quality of SQ (and the higher ticket prices), I wouldn't have to worry about having a tiny screen with questionable AVOD on a 12 hour trip. Short flights from SIN to BKK have a more more modern cabin.

[SQ228]

Opinions on these craft often come down to which class you fly in. As a Y traveller, I'm actually quite happy with the 772ERs, yet I know whenever they are discussed, J travellers are very unimpressed with them because of the old 'space-beds' which I can well understand when you are paying so much more for the ticket.

Contrast the fact that until 6 months ago, the 747s were still on the SIN-FRA-JFK route. While there seemed to be some popular appeal among J travellers for them, the Y cabin was truly awful and so completely out of date. Now those screens truly were tiny!

[RomeFlyer]

Just arrived in Singapore on SQ365. It was 9V-SVL with classic interior. Seats were actually pretty decent (59H & K). AVOD worked well, but the screen is seriously low res and dim. Singapore service and food were impeccable. Overall, good flight.

[jupiter]

That sounds like the old 777-200ER. Small and dim screen

It's time for SQ to upgrade!

[17august]

Problem for us but not for SQ is for SQ on the routes to MXP, FCO and CPH there is no competition for direct flights. Therefore they are able to send these planes on these routes as there is no alternative unless there you transfer. On the shorter routes where they send the retrofitted or new planes it is due to heavy competition. I am sure if AZ sent a 772 to SIN from FCO then this route would be upgraded to something like a 333 and if demand is high enough then a 77W

The demand isn't as high as for places like Zurich, LHR and CDG so they can't justify a 388, whilst CDG has competition from AF and LHR big competition from BA and QF.

Off the topic a bit although it's not direct booking the overnight 388 to Zurich with SQ then the connecting flight to London City looks like a very good option which you can book on Swiss Air website as City is much better location and 10x nicer than LHR

[wlgspotter]

Problem for us but not for SQ is for SQ on the routes to MXP, FCO and CPH there is no competition for direct flights. Therefore they are able to send these planes on these routes as there is no alternative unless there you transfer. On the shorter routes where they send the retrofitted or new planes it is due to heavy competition. I am sure if AZ sent a 772 to SIN from FCO then this route would be upgraded to something like a 333 and if demand is high enough then a 77W

The demand isn't as high as for places like Zurich, LHR and CDG so they can't justify a 388, whilst CDG has competition from AF and LHR big competition from BA and QF.

Off the topic a bit although it's not direct booking the overnight 388 to Zurich with SQ then the connecting flight to London City looks like a very good option which you can book on Swiss Air website as City is much better location and 10x nicer than LHR

I don't think an A330-300 has the legs to fly SIN - FCO non stop, so I doubt you'll ever see that on the route.

As for the 777s, I believe all of SQ's 777s are all 777-200ERs, but the SQ and SR series birds were originally equipped with derated engines (perhaps saving on certification/registrations costs?), and SQ's original intention was to use them on only reqional/medium haul routes ex SIN. The SV series birds (SQ marketed them as B777-200ERs) are the one originally intended to fly long haul. Obviously with the retrofit only the SQ and SR have even retrofitted with new regional J class, but I thought the Y class remained to same? Also not sure if the SQ and SR series have been recertified for long haul as I know try are used for SIN-AKL now. As such, unless the SV series gets retrofitted I doubt you'll also see any SQ and SR birds to Europe.

[FN-GM]

As such, unless the SV series gets retrofitted I doubt you'll also see any SQ and SR birds to Europe.

I believe they are there is another post about it on here.

As for the 777s, I believe all of SQ's 777s are all 777-200ERs,

They do have 777-300's & 777-300ER as well.

]I don't think an A330-300 has the legs to fly SIN - FCO non stop, so I doubt you'll ever see that on the route.

No they cant. Although SQ dont have any you might want to know that the A330-200 can.

[17august]

No they cant. Although SQ dont have any you might want to know that the A330-200 can.[/QUOTE]

Ah ok that is where I was a bit confused because whenever I land into LHR off SQ318 you always see the MU 330 arriving from Shanghai which is a 330-200.

[SQ228]

I don't know how/why/what exactly, but SQI and SRN are apparently different from the other SR* and SQ* 772s and they are the ones that can fly as far as NZ under normal conditions, as well as all the SV* series, of course.

[wlgspotter]

They do have 777-300's & 777-300ER as well.

My bad - I meant to say all of SQ 777-200's are ER models...

I don't know how/why/what exactly, but SQI and SRN are apparently different from the other SR* and SQ* 772s and they are the ones that can fly as far as NZ under normal conditions, as well as all the SV* series, of course.

Yes I noticed that too. According to this listhttp://www.caas.gov.sg/caasWeb2010/export/sites/caas/en/About_CAAS/Our_Strategic_Thrusts/Safety_Oversight_x_Promotion/Singapore_Registered_Aircraft/List_of_Aircraft_on_Singapore_Register/List_of_Aircraft_on_Singapore_Register_PDFs/2012_PDFs/Singapore_Registered_Aircraft_Engine_No_Jun12.pdf, it looks like SQI and SRN has been recertified as "ER" models. Don't who what difference, technically, are SQI and SRN from the other SQ and SR birds though.

[wlgspotter]

I don't know how/why/what exactly, but SQI and SRN are apparently different from the other SR* and SQ* 772s and they are the ones that can fly as far as NZ under normal conditions, as well as all the SV* series, of course.

I noticed at too. Accoridng to this list http://www.caas.gov.sg/caasWeb2010/e...e_No_Jun12.pdf, it looks like SQI and SRN is now listed as B777-200ERs - not sure what technical difference do they have to other SQ and SR birds...