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Seems like a huge mistake that could have easily turned into catastrophe. These were the runway 27 approach lights:
Three poles completely, and one partially missing their approach lights. Seems incredibly foolish to load up a 77W for a 13 hour flight and commence an intersection take-off. Shades of SQ286 in 2003 at AKL. Official report from QR stated that there was damage to the belly, so it's quite a wonder pilots didn't return to MIA. Biggest issue here seems to be that they continued the flight - what if damage had been more severe? Another JAL 123?
No pictures yet, Qatari press is more restricted than ours
, so we'll probably only get to see after NTSB releases their report.
I wonder what truly happened. Incorrect entering of load (a la SQ286) leading to EFB calculations suggesting T1 intersection take-off was sufficient? Or pilots forgetting that they weren't at the full length of the runway? But RAAS should have informed them either way. Surely the flight crew knew that aircraft was either slow to accelerate, or was using up a hell of a lot of real estate before V1/Vr. If they did not know that the aircraft struck runway lights, then surely cabin crew knew, even if it was a 2033hrs departure? After all it's not just the gear but the belly that scraped the lights.
Big mistake that could have killed many, many people. Let's see how this turns out.
Airliners.net Thread
Liveatc.net recording
A Qatar Airways Boeing 777-300ER, registration A7-BAC performing flight QR-778 from Miami,FL (USA) to Doha (Qatar), lined up runway 09 at taxiway T1 (approximately 2600 meters/8500 feet takeoff distance available, full runway length 3968 meters/13,016 feet) and departed Miami's runway 09 but struck the approach lights runway 27 during departure. Both tower, departure controllers as well as crew maintained routine communication. The aircraft continued to destination for a landing without further incident about 13.5 hours later.
On Sep 17th 2015 the FAA reported the aircraft struck approach lights on departure from Miami and continued to destination. The aircraft received substantial damage to its belly, the occurrence was rated an accident.
Related NOTAMs:
09/160 (A3018/15) - RWY 27 ALS U/S. 16 SEP 18:28 2015 UNTIL 16 OCT 20:00 2015 ESTIMATED. CREATED: 16 SEP 18:28 2015
09/159 (A3017/15) - RWY 27 ALS U/S. 16 SEP 17:55 2015 UNTIL 16 OCT 20:00 2015. CREATED: 16 SEP 17:55 2015
Metars:
KMIA 160353Z COR 09008KT 10SM FEW025 BKN200 28/26 A3009 RMK AO2 RAE06 SLP189 OCNL LTGIC DSNT NE CB DSNT NE P0008 T02830256
KMIA 160253Z 07016G23KT 3SM +RA SCT028CB BKN033 OVC080 28/25 A3010 RMK AO2 RAB53 SLP192 CB OHD MOV NW P0000 60000 T02830250 51014
KMIA 160153Z 10009KT 10SM FEW025 FEW045 SCT150 OVC200 28/25 A3009 RMK AO2 SLP190 T02830250
KMIA 160053Z 04005KT 10SM SCT029 SCT045 SCT150 OVC200 27/24 A3009 RMK AO2 RAE23 SLP188 OCNL LTGIC DSNT NW CB DSNT NW MOV NW P0000 T02720239
KMIA 152353Z 00000KT 7SM +RA SCT025CB BKN085 BKN180 OVC250 27/23 A3006 RMK AO2 RAB34 SLP178 CB NE-SE-SW-W MOV NW P0006 60006 T02670228 10317 20267 58001
KMIA 152253Z 05009G19KT 10SM SCT025 SCT055 BKN180 OVC250 29/22 A3006 RMK AO2 SLP179 CB DSNT SE-SW AND NW-N MOV NW T02890217
KMIA 152153Z 09008KT 10SM SCT033 SCT180 OVC250 31/24 A3006 RMK AO2 SLP179 CB DSNT SE AND W MOV NW T03060239
On Sep 17th 2015 the FAA reported the aircraft struck approach lights on departure from Miami and continued to destination. The aircraft received substantial damage to its belly, the occurrence was rated an accident.
Related NOTAMs:
09/160 (A3018/15) - RWY 27 ALS U/S. 16 SEP 18:28 2015 UNTIL 16 OCT 20:00 2015 ESTIMATED. CREATED: 16 SEP 18:28 2015
09/159 (A3017/15) - RWY 27 ALS U/S. 16 SEP 17:55 2015 UNTIL 16 OCT 20:00 2015. CREATED: 16 SEP 17:55 2015
Metars:
KMIA 160353Z COR 09008KT 10SM FEW025 BKN200 28/26 A3009 RMK AO2 RAE06 SLP189 OCNL LTGIC DSNT NE CB DSNT NE P0008 T02830256
KMIA 160253Z 07016G23KT 3SM +RA SCT028CB BKN033 OVC080 28/25 A3010 RMK AO2 RAB53 SLP192 CB OHD MOV NW P0000 60000 T02830250 51014
KMIA 160153Z 10009KT 10SM FEW025 FEW045 SCT150 OVC200 28/25 A3009 RMK AO2 SLP190 T02830250
KMIA 160053Z 04005KT 10SM SCT029 SCT045 SCT150 OVC200 27/24 A3009 RMK AO2 RAE23 SLP188 OCNL LTGIC DSNT NW CB DSNT NW MOV NW P0000 T02720239
KMIA 152353Z 00000KT 7SM +RA SCT025CB BKN085 BKN180 OVC250 27/23 A3006 RMK AO2 RAB34 SLP178 CB NE-SE-SW-W MOV NW P0006 60006 T02670228 10317 20267 58001
KMIA 152253Z 05009G19KT 10SM SCT025 SCT055 BKN180 OVC250 29/22 A3006 RMK AO2 SLP179 CB DSNT SE-SW AND NW-N MOV NW T02890217
KMIA 152153Z 09008KT 10SM SCT033 SCT180 OVC250 31/24 A3006 RMK AO2 SLP179 CB DSNT SE AND W MOV NW T03060239
Seems like a huge mistake that could have easily turned into catastrophe. These were the runway 27 approach lights:
Three poles completely, and one partially missing their approach lights. Seems incredibly foolish to load up a 77W for a 13 hour flight and commence an intersection take-off. Shades of SQ286 in 2003 at AKL. Official report from QR stated that there was damage to the belly, so it's quite a wonder pilots didn't return to MIA. Biggest issue here seems to be that they continued the flight - what if damage had been more severe? Another JAL 123?
No pictures yet, Qatari press is more restricted than ours
, so we'll probably only get to see after NTSB releases their report.I wonder what truly happened. Incorrect entering of load (a la SQ286) leading to EFB calculations suggesting T1 intersection take-off was sufficient? Or pilots forgetting that they weren't at the full length of the runway? But RAAS should have informed them either way. Surely the flight crew knew that aircraft was either slow to accelerate, or was using up a hell of a lot of real estate before V1/Vr. If they did not know that the aircraft struck runway lights, then surely cabin crew knew, even if it was a 2033hrs departure? After all it's not just the gear but the belly that scraped the lights.
Big mistake that could have killed many, many people. Let's see how this turns out.
Airliners.net Thread
Liveatc.net recording
I ran the numbers through our preformance computer and the best I could get is a 37,000 Kg penalty for using T1 instead of the full length. For a MIA-DOH flight, I don't see how a departure from T1 could have been done legally.
They were very very lucky. Not only that they got the boat airborne, but that the damage incurred didn't land them in the Atlantic after!
- A reported 77W pilot from the A.net thread
They were very very lucky. Not only that they got the boat airborne, but that the damage incurred didn't land them in the Atlantic after!
- A reported 77W pilot from the A.net thread