JFK-FRA-SIN Future

[SQ0815]

According to the data you can get from US DoT's BTS, SQ's loads to the US in 2008 were:

SQ1/2 (B744)
HKG-SFO 60%
SFO-HKG 73%

SQ 11/12 (B744)
NRT-LAX 77%
LAX-NRT 71%

SQ15/16 (B77W)
ICN-SFO 75%
SFO-ICN 63%

SQ25/26 (B744)
FRA-JFK 65%
JFK-FRA 67%

Better than expected, not much worse than the other US routes. Also the route wasn't hit too hard by the economic downturn. Just for comparison: LHR-JFK 2008 for all carriers together was 70.9%...

Additionally, you have to take into account, that SQ25/26's FRA-JFK segment is very short compared to the packed SIN-FRA segment (3900 of totally 10300 miles; SIN-FRA loads in 2008 were at 88.3% for all three carriers). You shouldn't forget this when you want to know if a flight is profitable.

So I don't see the need to drop FRA-JFK without substitution. A daily 77W would even be too small during the summer months (i.e. May 2008: 9699 passengers flying JFK->FRA, a daily 77W can only provide 8618 seats)

[MAN Flyer]

It may be worth noting that as CO have now joined *A it offers one stop connections to EWR via a number of destinations. You could even do it via MAN.

Whether SQ will codeshare with them or they end up with the same type of relationship they currently have with UA remains to be seen.

[TerryK]

....Our company uses SQ quite a bit for this leg as it is cheaper than LH - and better.....

That's good for the passenger, not good for the airlines. In fact, this implies the segment may not survive for long.

[JoJo Zep]

I truly hope the FRA-JFK continues as it is my main hope of keeping PPS now I'm based in Germany! Nothing like being selfish.

Our company uses SQ quite a bit for this leg as it is cheaper than LH - and better, but a German might not say that.

[TerryK]

Would SQ do that (drop FRA-JFK)? No direct flight between SIN and NYC in Y and F classes

SQ is a profit making business, not a tool of Singapore government as some assert, they will serve a route as long as it is profitable.

[bmchris]

Would SQ do that (drop FRA-JFK)? No direct flight between SIN and NYC in Y and F classes

If the loads don't support it - why not? Why continue to lose money in the long run?

[EWR]

Not necessarily.

You can fly SIN-NRT-JFK on NH metal even now.
767 between SIN-NRT
77W between NRT-JFK (SQ5916)

SQ has a code share on this flight.

I've flown it. This is what I plan to do if SQ25/26 stops at FRA.

Would SQ do that (drop FRA-JFK)? No direct flight between SIN and NYC in Y and F classes

[9V-SIA]

Without this service We would be back to the bad old days where passengers wanting to go on Singapore Airlines would have to go to LAX or SFO on some American Domestic Carrier and connect from there onto Singapore making for a two stop trip in many cases or be forced to fly with some European Airline of terrible standard

Not necessarily.

You can fly SIN-NRT-JFK on NH metal even now.
767 between SIN-NRT
77W between NRT-JFK (SQ5916)

SQ has a code share on this flight.

I've flown it. This is what I plan to do if SQ25/26 stops at FRA.

[SQADL333]

Without this service We would be back to the bad old days where passengers wanting to go on Singapore Airlines would have to go to LAX or SFO on some American Domestic Carrier and connect from there onto Singapore making for a two stop trip in many cases or be forced to fly with some European Airline of terrible standard

[HUGE AL]

Why would anyone listen to Wikipedia when all the accurate info is here!

[TerryK]

According to the Singapore Airlines Wikipedia page all the 747's will be taken out by March 2010...

That information is out of date.

[ASUDan130]

According to the Singapore Airlines Wikipedia page all the 747's will be taken out by March 2010. So that 1 thing has to happen that FRA-SIN has to be a A380 or 77W. The other certainty is that JFK-FRA will have the afformentioned upgrade or be fazed out completely. What do you think will happen?

[MAN Flyer]

SQ25/26, the one you are interested in..

SIN-FRA goes A380. FRA-JFK gets dropped. Fly LH between FRA-JFK.

SIN-FRA-JFK goes 77W. Best outcome for me.

Both possible and considered.

Other possibilities:

SIN-HKG-JFK. Needs HK approval. CX objects.

SIN-NRT-JFK. Either on NH metal all the way or SQ/NH combo. Code share SIN-NRT-JFK on NH already exists. Tried it. Nice flight.

Hope this helps..

Not a chance I'm afraid.

[9V-SIA]

What is the future with this route? I have heard things such as a big time aircraft upgrade to the route to being pulled all together...I personally think it should be kept as it gives Star Alliance members an opportunity to try SQ w/o flying to SIN. I am actually flying this route in Business in Mid June myself and am hoping it stays afloat at least but would love an aircraft upgraded of the A380 or 777

SIN-JFK is of interest to me because a lot of Singaporeans I know have kids studying on the East Coast.

A summary of discussions I've picked up online:

SQ25/26, the one you are interested in..

SIN-FRA goes A380. FRA-JFK gets dropped. Fly LH between FRA-JFK.

SIN-FRA-JFK goes 77W. Best outcome for me.

Other possibilities:

SIN-HKG-JFK. Needs HK approval. CX objects.

SIN-NRT-JFK. Either on NH metal all the way or SQ/NH combo. Code share SIN-NRT-JFK on NH already exists. Tried it. Nice flight.

Hope this helps..

[MAN Flyer]

I personally think it should be kept as it gives Star Alliance members an opportunity to try SQ w/o flying to SIN.

I don't think that is as high on SQ's list as it is on yours.