JFK-FRA-SIN Future

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That's a thought, altough with Virgin they can't offer F throughfares to JFK. Hence no F to New York on SQ.
I am not sure if that's regarded as important for SQ management.

[kt74]

If SQ do a SIN-LHR-JFK with the correct timings, i think they're on to a winner.

SQ has been requesting a fourth pair of slots ex-LHR every year since they started the third daily. It has never gotten them, as preference is given to new entrants

While slots are less expensive than they used to be, you'd still be hard pressed to obtain any morning arrival and lunchtime departure slots, whether you pay for them or not...

[kt74]

This would be better than a code share with LH as Virgin are of course 49% owned by SIA. The Virgin product is good (certainly better than LH and many others)

But SQ wants to sell its 49% stake in Virgin (although nobody wants to buy it)

As for the Virgin product, you are kidding me, aren't you?! With the notable exceptions of the Clubhouse and the UC bed, the VS product is *truly horrible* - indifferent service, poor food, uncomfortable economy class, AVOD only on certain flights, etc

[dj_jay_smith]

But SQ wants to sell its 49% stake in Virgin (although nobody wants to buy it)

As for the Virgin product, you are kidding me, aren't you?! With the notable exceptions of the Clubhouse and the UC bed, the VS product is *truly horrible* - indifferent service, poor food, uncomfortable economy class, AVOD only on certain flights, etc

OK I didn't know that there are trying to sell their stake. But still a better option than LH IMHO.

If you fly on an LH 744 then in economy there are not even individual screen, let alone anything like AVOD. They show 3 programs evenly spread throughout the flight (so on a 12H segment there is something showing for less than 6 hours!). Service doesn't exist, with them coming round with water/juice just a few times a flight.

(They have just retrofitted the A330s and A340s to have individual screens in economy, but no AVOD)

In business class then although you have AVOD the choice is very poor (BA economy and SAS economy have better selections!), seats only recline to 170 degrees, and on my last flight the headphones were broken and they are hardwired so I could not replace them.

Of course LH does have a F product, but is it worth it? As a colleague of mine said last year, LH first is like Malaysian airlines business class!

[SMK77]

Of course LH does have a F product, but is it worth it? As a colleague of mine said last year, LH first is like Malaysian airlines business class!

LH F is an outdated product, no question - the seat is now over 10 years old and while truely flat, no the most comfortable. However, at the moment you can snatch LH F for around 2.500 SGD return to Germany including all taxes - that is almost the price SQ is charging for Economy...

And F is F after all:

LH F service is very consistently on high levels
LH F food is usually very good (and beats SQ in terms of both quantity and quality)
LH F ground handling in FRA and MUC is outstanding (fancy an S-class shuttle to/from your plane?)

Award Availability is very good for both redemptions/upgrades on LH F. As far as KrisFlyer is concerned: Flying LH F to London is cheaper than flying SQ J... (180K for LH F vs. 204K for SQ J including online discount). And LH F availability usually beats SQ J availability...

[kchika]

LH F is an outdated product, no question - the seat is now over 10 years old and while truely flat, no the most comfortable. However, at the moment you can snatch LH F for around 2.500 SGD return to Germany including all taxes - that is almost the price SQ is charging for Economy...

And F is F after all:

LH F service is very consistently on high levels
LH F food is usually very good (and beats SQ in terms of both quantity and quality)
LH F ground handling in FRA and MUC is outstanding (fancy an S-class shuttle to/from your plane?)

Award Availability is very good for both redemptions/upgrades on LH F. As far as KrisFlyer is concerned: Flying LH F to London is cheaper than flying SQ J... (180K for LH F vs. 204K for SQ J including online discount). And LH F availability usually beats SQ J availability...

Where do I get that?

[kaysquare]

Where do I get that?

SMK77, pray tell!! pm if inconvenient!!

[kkjay77]

SMK77, pray tell!! pm if inconvenient!!

+1. Please do tell!

[Kyo]

I'm all ears as well... 2,500SGD? Any chance to go via FRA to FCO?

[9V-JKL]

PM me too pls SMK77. Would love to go back to BCN after 9V-SIA's BCN TR

[nickbot]

A massive +1 here too

[Savage25]

I'd like to get in on that SGD2500 fare as well, if someone will Pm me.

[phaleesy]

I read FARE GONE.

[Bitterroot]

Not sure if this helps or hinders the thread, but SQ are discounting all classes on the FRA-JFK route via SQ De website. Valid until year end. But, they are also discounting many destinations in First out of FRA.

Am flying FRA-JFK route in a month - will post how full the flight is.

SQ25 loads going east this last trip: JFK-FRA: 12F, 42J, 307Y; FRA-SIN: 12F,37J, 239Y. Fares and yields across the pond might be low, but in this case, the tail was bigger than the dog.

[SMK77]

The "fare" is in fact an award ticket. US Airways allows for unlimited milage purchases and has a double-promo till Dec 31 which doubles the miles you are getting...

The total "fare" miles plus fees plus tax is about SGD 2.500 for a return ticket to Europe on any *A carrier.