SIA 737 MAX Aircraft

[boing]

I believe it's a fair comparison for the point I was making. Given enough resources (time included), physics issues can be resolved with software fixes (barring fundamental impossibilities of course). And of course, at every stage you have to look at the tradeoffs (a core part of engineering is the realisation that every improvement in a certain sector has a tradeoff in another, there's no free lunch and all that). It wouldn't be wise to pour in resources finding a software fix for majority of the physics issues, which is why it's hardly ever done. But when rushed on projects like the MAX, or forced into implementations like on the MAX, it becomes the only option. But it's still a viable option, even if limited in scope.

With the MAX, the key engineering concept guiding any product development, however, is one that Boeing ignored in the first place is redundancy and operator training. Single AoA sensor to dictate MCAS input is one of the most shocking things I have ever known of in aviation based on prevailing engineering wisdom, especially in aviation where double and triple redundancies are minimum. This is not mentioning other issues with Boeing such as the engineers having concerns overruled by management and the certification model in the US with the FAA. That's why, for me, the MAX is tainted for a long long time. Maybe in a decade when there have been no incidents I may trust the aircraft.

This whole 737Max fiasco just mirrors the DC10 debacle that occurred close to 4 decades ago. From its rushed introduction, deadly engineering flaws and controversial relationship with the regulators, this is just DC 10 revisted. It is no coincidence that the engineering decline in Boeing began soon after its purchase of McDonnell Douglas.

The signs were there for all to see when 787 was introduced and it just culminated in the Max.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkEpstd9os

Anyway, back to topic. I for one would go all out of my way where possible to avoid flying the Max.

[H1090]

Boeing couldn't compete with the A320, so they have to raise the engine position which cause the aircraft to pitch at certain angle which is why MCAS has introduce. The 737max and 737s are different aircraft with different aerodynamics, but Boeing only gave the pilots a one hour ipad training to transit over. Irresponsible to say the least.

I would rather fly a transit flight than fly the 737max. Unable to find a reason why anyone would want to risk their life knowing that there is a inherent fault with the aircraft.

[Avenger777]

Boeing couldn't compete with the A320, so they have to raise the engine position which cause the aircraft to pitch at certain angle which is why MCAS has introduce. The 737max and 737s are different aircraft with different aerodynamics, but Boeing only gave the pilots a one hour ipad training to transit over. Irresponsible to say the least.

I would rather fly a transit flight than fly the 737max. Unable to find a reason why anyone would want to risk their life knowing that there is a inherent fault with the aircraft.

With all due respect, I think youre being too dramatic......the 737 MAX is probably the safest aircraft in the skies right now. Both Boeing and the FAA will be DONE if there was another crash. Also, crews are now trained to turn off the MCAS system if it goes "haywire".....

[FN-GM]

With all due respect, I think youre being too dramatic......the 737 MAX is probably the safest aircraft in the skies right now. Both Boeing and the FAA will be DONE if there was another crash. Also, crews are now trained to turn off the MCAS system if it goes "haywire".....

It has highlighted a huge culture problem. It shows Boeing is not a company that can be trusted.

[shikhargpt]

It has highlighted a huge culture problem. It shows Boeing is not a company that can be trusted.

Yeah, it's the cultural issue that is disturbing.

[flyguy]

Finally SIA have decided and go ahead with retrofitting the Thompson Vantage business class seats and EY seats and Wifi on its 738 Max planes. Believed the first plane being retrofitted is 9V-MBA.

[flyinghigher]

Finally SIA have decided and go ahead with retrofitting the Thompson Vantage business class seats and EY seats and Wifi on its 738 Max planes. Believed the first plane being retrofitted is 9V-MBA.

Any news source on this?

[yuuka_miya]

Any news source on this?

https://mainlymiles.com/2021/03/13/s...-cabin-refits/

[shikhargpt]

Will the MAX replace the 737-800s entirely btw? Or will the 9 737s be refitted to new product, or some partial combos of both options? And what would be the timeline, just curious.

[flyguy]

Yes SIA have ordered the 738 Maxes to replace all its existing 738s. Believed these 9 738s will be unlikely to be refitted with the new seats as these planes are between 6 years old to 7.2 years old, and 7 of them are already listed as for sale. There should be 2 - 3 new 738 Maxes that are already built by Boeing and will be delivered in the next couple of months.

[shikhargpt]

Damn, that's quick isn't it! Even for SQ standards, a fleet replaced with max. age under 8 years?

[HS-TND]

Damn, that's quick isn't it! Even for SQ standards, a fleet replaced with max. age under 8 years?

The 737-8 MAX was the intended replacement for the entire A320/B737 fleet in MI all along.
The original plan was for the MI B737 fleet to be seconded to TR to support its growth as each SilkAir MAX was brought into service.
However, the grounding halted its plan.

SQ wanted to absorb only the 737-8 MAX fleet from MI initially but given the situation, it was better to absorb some B737-800 to support the narrowbody fleet before slowly replacing it with the MAX.

[shikhargpt]

The 737-8 MAX was the intended replacement for the entire A320/B737 fleet in MI all along.
The original plan was for the MI B737 fleet to be seconded to TR to support its growth as each SilkAir MAX was brought into service.
However, the grounding halted its plan.

SQ wanted to absorb only the 737-8 MAX fleet from MI initially but given the situation, it was better to absorb some B737-800 to support the narrowbody fleet before slowly replacing it with the MAX.

Ohh! I see, thanks

[shikhargpt]

:|

Boeing's 737 Max has a new problem that will ground some of the jets again

Boeing announced a new problem with the troubled 737 Max -- this time, the issue is with its electrical system.

"Boeing has recommended to 16 customers that they address a potential electrical issue in a specific group of 737 Max airplanes prior to further operations," the company said.
Airlines need to verify that one of the components of the plane's electrical system is sufficiently grounded, Boeing stated. The company said it is working with the US Federal Aviation Administration to address the problem.

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Boeing (BA) did not identify which 16 airlines are affected by this alert, or how many of the planes are affected by the problem.

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The fact that the planes were grounded indicates that this is potentially a "catastrophic" problem that could have caused a fire, Soucie said. But he noted it's a good sign for the plane — and its safety — that the potential threat was discovered before there was an incident.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/09/b...--LXN8pDNu_AuA

[Avenger777]

Beautiful!

Saw some leaked pics of the cabin- the seats in EYCL looks like the ones found on the 787.

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos...v=v47b8852d9ba