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Old 15th September 2011, 02:26 PM   #1
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Singapore Airlines CEO Goh Choon Phong stated it may order A350-1000 equipment, following the announcement by Airbus on its planned improvements to the range and payload of the aircraft, reports Bloomberg.

Meanwhile, SIA took delivery of its 13th A380 aircraft on 14-Sep-2011.

http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...ent-ceo-120069
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Old 15th September 2011, 05:34 PM   #2
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huh... GCP going to hold Airbus Industrie to the neck for the A359 delays or is this a new order
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Old 18th June 2018, 10:45 PM   #3
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Now that the A35K can fly farther, carry more payload and consume less fuel than the 77W, what's the possibility that we will see them in SQ's fleet in the future?

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...r-take-449476/

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Old 18th June 2018, 10:54 PM   #4
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I bet they convert A350-900 orders instead of a completely new order.
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Old 19th June 2018, 02:14 PM   #5
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They do have 20 777-9s on order to replace the first batch of 777-300ERs, which I believe has made the A350-1000 redundant for this job. If anything, Singapore Airlines could order a lower-weight (260t or 270t) A350-1000 for high-density regional and medium-haul flights.
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Old 19th June 2018, 06:35 PM   #6
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They do have 20 777-9s on order to replace the first batch of 777-300ERs.....
I disagree. I believe the 777-9s will be replacement for the A380 & and maybe some 77Ws.

By the time the 777-9s come in 2021/2, another 9 A380s (SKF to SKN) will have reached their 10 year-old mark.
Seeing SQ isn't ordering more A380s, the 777-9s will have to cover them by then.

SQ now has 46 380s & 77Ws, these need to be replaced, 20 777-9s won't be enough, I believe they'll need 35Ks at some point or more 777-9s.

mainlymiles has an excellent piece on the future of 777-9s in SQ fleet
https://mainlymiles.com/2017/10/24/s...ffin-for-a380/

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Old 19th June 2018, 09:45 PM   #7
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"By the time the 777-9s come in 2021/2, another 9 A380s (SKF to SKN) will have reached their 10 year-old mark.
Seeing SQ isn't ordering more A380s, the 777-9s will have to cover them by then. "

Doubt SQ will be replacing the 9 A380s when they reach 10 years old - but will continue to fly them for another 5 to even 10 years more. But at some time in the near future, SQ will need to order some new aircrafts as replacement for the A380s.

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Old 19th June 2018, 11:15 PM   #8
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By the time the 777-9s come in 2021/2, another 9 A380s (SKF to SKN) will have reached their 10 year-old mark.
Seeing SQ isn't ordering more A380s, the 777-9s will have to cover them by then.
SQ is embarking on a retrofit program for all their remaining A380s, which, as of now, is still yet to commence (and is scheduled be completed in 2020, barring any delays). It would not make sense to retire these aircraft less than 5 years after a tip-to-tail refurbishment, since SQ is investing so much in this.

Had SQ planned to retire them as the 777-9s arrive in 2021-2022 they would have instead simply give the existing products a refresh.
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I disagree. I believe the 777-9s will be replacement for the A380 & and maybe some 77Ws.

By the time the 777-9s come in 2021/2, another 9 A380s (SKF to SKN) will have reached their 10 year-old mark.
Seeing SQ isn't ordering more A380s, the 777-9s will have to cover them by then.

SQ now has 46 380s & 77Ws, these need to be replaced, 20 777-9s won't be enough, I believe they'll need 35Ks at some point or more 777-9s.

mainlymiles has an excellent piece on the future of 777-9s in SQ fleet
https://mainlymiles.com/2017/10/24/s...ffin-for-a380/
This article was written before SIA announce that they will fit the new product on all existing A380. So guess the A380 will stay Until around 2025 or later.
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Old 20th June 2018, 03:48 AM   #10
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SQ is embarking on a retrofit program for all their remaining A380s, which, as of now, is still yet to commence (and is scheduled be completed in 2020, barring any delays). It would not make sense to retire these aircraft less than 5 years after a tip-to-tail refurbishment, since SQ is investing so much in this..
The same could be said about the 77W they haven't long been refurbished and some are still remaining.
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Old 20th June 2018, 05:06 PM   #11
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This article was written before SIA announce that they will fit the new product on all existing A380. So guess the A380 will stay Until around 2025 or later.

I still believe in the A380 as a concept of more-passengers-per-slot and pressure on slots will only increase in that coming 5-10yrs.

I am naively optimistic for its survival.
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This article was written before SIA announce that they will fit the new product on all existing A380. So guess the A380 will stay Until around 2025 or later.
The A380s will definietely still be around until 2025 and even till 2035.
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Wow! So much love for the A380. Ok, I withdraw....

Going back to the thread topic of A35K, with a 25% fuel burn reduction vs a 77W, I don't see why not.

This is from a CX A350 pilot with real flight data. Quote taken off A.Net
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This is some analysis I did of the A350-1000 early long flight I did with 310 passengers onboard from the cockpit phtoto which showed the fuel used, fuel flows weights etc. As the name suggests is was very much an early flight, with performance to improve as it enters service. Even in its early days, the A350-1000 was beating the 77W block fuel by more than 25%.

“It is more like 94.7% of the A350-1000 MTOW. The fuel used at that point was 33.25t, if you take 500 kg for taxi, the flight fuel would be 32.75t. Current mass 258.9 t, so TOW=GW+FU = 291.65t. 291.65/308=94.7%.

The TAS is 497 kts at FL350, a 77W taking off at the same percentage of MTOW would be at FL330 with a TAS of 488 kt. The current fuel flow is 6800 kg/hr, a 77W after 4 hrs taking off at the same percentage of MTOW would be burning 8644 kg/hr, that represents 21.3% less fuel flow. In terms of specific range, 77W 8644/488 = 17.7 kg/nm, A350-1000 6800/497= 13.7 kg/nm, that represents a 22.8% reduction.

After 4 hours of flight time a 77W taking off at the same percentage of MTOW would have burnt 41.9 t of fuel, the A350-1000 32.75 t, that also is a 21.8% reduction. However in that time the A350 would have flown about 2% further in distance.

The A350-1000 at that point had 7:22 of flight time left and estimated to burn 45.7 t (65.5-19.8), average burn for the 7:22, 45.7/7:22=6.2 t/hr for the remainder of the flight. Overall total trip fuel would have been 78.45t (45.7+32.75) for 11:22 (7:22+4:00) flight time. A 77W would burn 105.9 t over that flight time. That represents 27.5 t less fuel for the sector in percentage terms a 25.9% reduction.

I should add, anyone suggesting that a 77W will burn less than 9t hr average on a long haul flight is dreaming, that is the sort of fuel burn a 77W will have at around 75% of MTOW, on a 11:22 flight a 77W would burn on average 9.3 t/hr. the A350-1000 6.9 t/hr, a 25.9% reduction.”

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The A380s will definietely still be around until 2025 and even till 2035.
I agree. Since there are no direct A380 replacements planned for the future, SQ would like to keep flying them for as long as possible. More so if SQ fails to find a viable second-hand market for their A380s.
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Wow! So much love for the A380. Ok, I withdraw....

Going back to the thread topic of A35K, with a 25% fuel burn reduction vs a 77W, I don't see why not.

This is from a CX A350 pilot with real flight data. Quote taken off A.Net
Yes for sure the A35K will beat the 77W in fuel consumption, but believe the A35K should be compared to the 787 and not the 20 year old 777s as one is a new design with mainly composites material and new engines whilst and the other is old school construction with older engines.
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