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  • LH TLV-FRA-LHR-FRA-TLV in Y (well thanks to OpUps quite a lot in C actually)

    Work has based me out in Jerusalem for the last four months (have another three to go out here) but I needed to go back to head office in the UK for a week for a strategy meeting (I bet you can imagine how fun that was). Flights from TLV-LHR are really booked up at the moment. In the end managed to get a flight on LH via FRA in economy (company travel policy is economy for all flights) for $800 (normally you can get a flight for under $400).

    It only takes 45 minutes to get from Jerusalem to TLV and as I was departing on a Saturday (the Sabbath) the roads were quiet and I was hoping that the airport would be quiet as well. My flight was departing at 16.40 and I arrived at TLV at about 13.45. Security as you would expect is very tight at TLV. The first bit is at the entrance to the airport where there is a checkpoint. I always get stopped here as I live in East Jerusalem which is the Palestinian part of town and I get a Palestinian taxi driver. Anyway this first stop just involves a few questions and them marking my passport.

    I arrive at the terminal at about 14.00 which is a bit late as they have been known to deny boarding to people who do not turn up three hours before departure. At least it being a Saturday it was not quite as busy as it is on other days. LH (OS and LOT) check in desks are all down in the arrivals area rather than the main check in hall. Before checking in you have to go through initial security. This can be quite quick but most of the time it is a quite lengthy process and in the past I have been questioned for over three hours there. I queue up for about 30 minutes waiting for one of the security staff to come and question me. These questions determine your risk level and therefore how detailed the later searches of your luggage and yourself will be. Finally I make I get the front and a very friendly security person starts asking the normal questions, Why was I in Israel, Where did I go, Do I have a girlfriend here, etc etc After a while she goes off to consult with her supervisor. She comes back about 5 minutes later to tell me that the supervisor wants to talk to me as well and that I must wait. This is quite normal as they often get multiple people to question you, they ask the same set of questions and then compare answers. Well it took about 20 minutes for the supervisor to show up. She asked her questions and then came the decision time. They stick a coloured sticker on you passport and luggage to determine your risk level. The colours do change but on this day, seeing what other people got it seems like Green was for the low risk people, yellow was medium risk and purple was high risk. The difference between the different levels is if you are low then once your luggage has been scanned you can go straight to check in, medium risk means that after scanning your luggage you have to take it for a manual search as well. If you are high risk then after your bag is manually searched then you will be searched as well, quite often then will also escort you all way to the plane to make sure that you do not get in contact with anyone. Well today I got yellow which is not too bad.

    So I move onto have my luggage scanned. There is no queue for the scanning so I am soon on to waiting for the manual search. Sometimes it can be a very lengthy wait for the search but today I only had to wait for a couple of minutes. I lift my suitcase onto the table and another friendly security lady opens up my case and searches through it. To be honest they do not do that thorough a search but what they then do is swab every nook and cranny of my bag for explosives. So after about 1hr 30 mins I get the all clear and head for check in.

    By this time there is quite a big queue for the economy check in desks but luckily I can use the First Class check in being a SEN where there are only 2 people before me. I was unable to do on line check in as the ticket was brought through a travel agent. When I finally got to the check in the only seat available was right at the back and broken. I enquired how broken and they said it was OK apart from it did not recline. I thought for a 4 hour day time flight that was not a problem. I got my invitation to the Dan lounge and a voucher to get a newspaper.

    I headed up to the departure level and then to the next security check. This is the normal x ray of your hand luggage and Metal Detector. Again the colour sticker on your passport determines how strict this is. My yellow sticker sent me to queue 1. This is the strictest of the queues where it is belt off, shoes off etc and your hand luggage gets swabbed for explosives. Luckily there was no queue and I as through in 5 minutes. It was then onto immigration where again there was no queue and finally I was through to the departure area.

    The new Terminal 3 at TLV is pretty nice all round. Once you are through immigration you go down a long corridor to a circular departure lounge which has chairs in the middle and duty free shops and exchange places around the edge. Be warned if you leave on a Saturday a number of places are shut and a lot of the food places serve very limited offering. I headed off to the Dan lounge in concourse C which is where the LH flights leave from (There is another one in concourse B). The lounge was almost full but I managed to find a seat right next to the window overlooking the apron (I am with the people who like a good view out from a lounge). There was a reasonable selection of cold snacks and drinks on offer.

    About 30 minutes before departure time I headed to the gate to find that boarding had already started. I walked up to the gate and handed over my boarding pass to me greeted by those magic words “Mr Lobster you have been upgraded to Business Class today” So with my new boarding pass I headed down to the plane hoping to find the new business class but no such luck it was the old one. Oh well for a relatively short daytime flight it does not make that much difference.

    Pre departure drinks were brought round a choice of champagne, orange juice or water, and a hot towel. There was also an amenity handed out which contained, eye shades, socks, toothbrush and toothpaste, ear plugs, moisturiser and lip balm. We took off on time and headed out over the Med. Once the fasten seat belt sign had been turned off drinks were offered with a packet of mixed nuts. I had the German white wine, my one rule for flying on LH is always have the German wines. Shortly after the drinks the FAs came round again to set our tables for dinner. I have posted the menu in the menu forum. The Hors D’oeuvre and the salad were brought out on one tray. Followed by another drink round. Then the tray is cleared and the entrée is served by itself followed by another drink round. I had the Turkey followed by the Lamb. I then had the cheese with a glass of port. Overall I found the food rather lacking, The portions where very small (The standard BA economy class meal I find more filling) and really had very little flavour.

    After dinner I settled back and slept for a bit (the IFE is so poor on LH it really is not worth bothering with). I do find the old style business class seats very comfortable for lounging about in.

    We arrived at FRA at 9pm and my connecting flight to LHR was due to depart from the other side of the airport at 9.30. So I dashed to the monorail zoomed onto the train and sat urging it to go. Then I looked at the clock on the station platform and saw that it said it was 8.15 not 9.15, yes I had forgotten that FRA is an hour behind Israel. Anyway at least I could relax now. I headed to the SEN lounge by gate A51 and to my surprise it was relatively empty. I just relaxed there until about 9pm and then headed to the gate. Boarding started a couple of minutes after I arrived. No upgrade on this leg of the journey but as it is only a 1hr flight and economy was maybe 10% full it really did not matter.

    We took off on time and were soon at cruising altitude. The FA’s came around with a cheese sandwich and choice of drinks. I slept for the rest of the flight and soon we were landing at LHR. We actually pulled up to our gate at T2 about 20 minutes early. Immigration had the normal queues for EU citizens but I headed over to use the IRIS machines, there was even a queue for them this time which is the first time I have encountered this. But even so I was through to the baggage hall a couple of minutes later. Had to wait for about 5 minutes for the baggage to start appearing but my suitcase was the second one to arrive so I was very shortly heading out.

    I had booked a rental car through avis (as my car’s tax and MOT had run out whilst I was away and I did not think that I would have the chance to sort it out during this trip). I went out to the bus stop where the car rental shuttle buses pick people up and waited. Every other rental company bus came but no sign of an Avis bus. After about 30 minutes I called them up and they said the buses run every 10 minutes. I pointed out that I had been standing out in the freezing cold for 30 minutes with no sign of a bus. They promised to send on and about 2 minutes later one turned up. It is about a 10 minute drive to the Avis lot and about 10 minutes after that I was heading home.

  • #2
    Part 2 LHR-FRA-TLV

    A week later and it is time to head back to Jerusalem. I have the 6.25am LHR-FRA LH flight. At 3.15am my alarm goes off, I jump up and straight into the shower and I jump straight back out again when I realise that the heating isn’t on so there is no hot water. Pack a couple things (eg my alarm clock) that I could not pack the night before and by 3.30am I in my car heading for LHR. The one great advantage of leaving at that time is that the roads are totally empty so I put the cruise control on and cruise down the M40 and M25. I arrive at the Avis lot at 4.15am drop the keys off and there is bus waiting there it take me to T2 so by 4.30am I am at the terminal. This is perfect timing as check in opens at 4.30. The First Class check in is closed so I go to the business class check in. There is one person before me who takes and an age to get checked in. Anyway soon it is my turn and it becomes very clear that it was not the other passengers fault for taking an age but the check in agent who is unbelievably slow. But by 4.50 I am checked in and have my boarding passes for both the LHR-FRA and FRA to TLV legs. I head up to security pass through the bag checkers, yes BAA now employ people to check that you only have one piece of hand luggage. Then join the queue to go through security. I a standing there for 5 minutes and it has not moved at all. Then I notice that security is not open, yes that is right security does not open until 5am. All this drumming in the message that you must be at the airport at least 2 hours in advance and preferably 3 hours in advance and they can not even get their sorry backsides out of bed more than one hour before the first flight of the day. Anyway once they have opened it takes about another 20 minutes to get through. I head off to the Senator lounge which if this was a weekday departure I probably wouldn’t have bothered with as it get so crowded. But at the weekends it is normally much quieter and indeed there are only two of us there. I help myself to some breakfast and watch some of the highlights from the cricket world cup. Soon it is time to head to the gate. I arrive at the gate area and it is very busy so I think to myself that this flight will be much more crowded. However then they announce an IB flight leaving from the next gate most of the people move go over to there. When they call my flight there are only about 20 people left which on an A300-600 means another very empty flight. As per normal with LHR we were a bit late leaving. Again after take off we were served a cheese sandwich and a drink. After about an hour when we should have been landing the captain came on to say there were delays at FRA and we would have to circle for another 30 mins before landing. I only had a 1 hr transit in FRA so this was going to cut it down to 30 mins. I had just started to think whether this was possible when the purser came round and said that there would be a separate bus to take me and the 4 other passengers connecting to the TLV flight straight to the plane.

    Well this did not turn out to be exactly true. There was a bus waiting for us when we landed but it did not take us straight to the other plane but it took us to the transit area. We were however escorted through security so we did not have to join the few long queue. Then it was to the departure gate, the plan was on a remote stand so it we were going to be bussed out. But before that I had another pleasant surprise yes at the gate I heard those magic words again “Mr Lobster you have been upgraded to Business Class today” Looking at the number of red First class boarding passed they had out I think all First class seats were going to be upgrades from business. The bus promptly took us back to the remote stand right next to the one our plane from LHR had parked at so after 30 minutes travelling to and from the airport I had arrived back virtually where I started from.

    Climbed up onto the plane and drat it was the old business class again. I was in row 25 which is the very last row of business class, but it is a mini cabin of only two rows of seats so it seems very secluded, you also seem to get served first. We were about an hour late pushing back. The normal safety briefing was done but then there was a new announcement. It is now a LH regulation that when seating in your seat you MUST have your seatbelt on.

    On this flight the menu had been put together by Zhang Jin Jie (JinR) from the Green T House in Beijing. Again the full menu is posted in the menu forum. I have to say the food was much tastier but the portions were still very small. Business class was totally full (as was every other class) so it took about 2hrs 45min to complete the lunch service which meant that there was only about 30 mins until landing. I completed the landing card (this is weird if you arrive at TLV on BA you do not have to complete a landing card, but if you arrive on LH you do). The captain had failed to make up any time on the flight and we arrived about an hour late.

    One of the great improvements at the new terminal at TLV over the old one is that they have a lot more immigration desks than before. So I only have to queue for a couple of minutes before I get to the front of the queue. This is my first time coming in since I got my work permit and it does speed things up instead of a whole load of questions about what am I going to be doing in Israel, they make one call to check that it is genuine and you are through. However all the time I made up in getting through immigration quickly was lost at baggage reclaim. It took ages for the luggage to start coming out and then my suitcase was one of the last off.

    So it was out to the arrivals hall which was as normal a complete shambles with people blocking every exit. But I managed to spot my driver and I was soon back in my flat in Jerusalem.

    Next week I am off on holiday and have splashed out my own hard earned cash on a BA club world flight back to the UK (Israel is a cheap place to buy BA tickets from). Anyway I thought it would give me enough TP to get to Silver with BA the first time I have ever had any status with them. However have just realised that although it will get me to 600 TPs, you need four qualifying flights on BA. All my other TP come from other OW flights as all my other BA flights were on discounted economy tickets so did not qualify for TPs. So at some point I am going to have to a domestic UK flight or whatever is the cheapest way to earn some TP. Anyway at least I will now be able to compare BA’s product to LH’s.

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    • #3
      Thanks for the most interesting trip report, Lobster. And congrats on the double op up.
      Last edited by KeithMEL; 26 March 2007, 10:12 AM.
      All opinions shared are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer or any other organisation of which I'm affiliated to.

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      • #4
        I've always been curious about the (in)famous security procedures in Israel. I think I'm comfortable just reading about them rather than experiencing them. Thanks for the report, Lobster.
        ‘Lean into the sharp points’

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        • #5
          Originally posted by jjpb3 View Post
          I've always been curious about the (in)famous security procedures in Israel. I think I'm comfortable just reading about them rather than experiencing them. Thanks for the report, Lobster.
          Went through again on Friday and got the dreaded red sticker which involves going off to a smal room with a man wearing rubber gloves

          Luckily this time it was just for a very thouough pat down.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Lobster View Post
            Went through again on Friday and got the dreaded red sticker which involves going off to a smal room with a man wearing rubber gloves

            Luckily this time it was just for a very thouough pat down.
            Do tell us about your experience last time!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by jhm View Post
              Do tell us about your experience last time!
              Sorry some things are just not suitable for a family talk board

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              • #8
                Ok done my BA club world flight. Will not write a full trip report as JJPB3 has recently written one but thought I would put down a few thoughts on the comparison between BA and LH.

                Home airport
                I have to say LHR and FRA are two of my least favourite airports in the world. But to be fair they both actually worked quite well for these trips.

                Checkin
                BA on line check in is much better than LH's for a start anyone with a booking reference can check in on line. With LH I could not check in on line as I did not have a FF# or credit card# to match the booking to.

                I can't compare the check in process at TLV as with the BA flight due to my red sticker the security staff at TLV checked me in to make sure that I did not talk to anyone.

                Lounge
                Have to give this to the BA terraces lounges as even though they are busy they are nowhere near as busy as the SEN lounges. They are course equal in TLV as they both use the Dan lounge.

                Seat
                Clear win for BA. Both my flights were with the companies old product but BA' is still a lie flat seat whereas LH is not much more than BA's WT+ seat.

                Food
                Again would give this to BA, bigger quantities and more flavour all round.

                Drink
                Here I think LH just gets it. All round I found their wines to be of a higher quality and they serve pre departure champagne at TLV which BA does not.

                IFE
                Completely woeful on both carriers

                Service
                Another victory for BA. The LH FA's totally disappeared after the meal service where as the BA FA's were goign through the cabin to see if anyone needed anything throughout the flight.

                Overall
                BA gets it by quite a margin for me.

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