Singapore Airlines latest cabin products on the new B777-300ER (77WN) - 2013

[SQfanatic]

Yup and they sent SWW coming from SFO back to HKG as 866/865 (Which is 77WR usually). I thought they had enough 77WR for the correct routes unless that's also in maintenance

[leops1984]

Yup and they sent SWW coming from SFO back to HKG as 866/865 (Which is 77WR usually). I thought they had enough 77WR for the correct routes unless that's also in maintenance

There was a 77WR diversion (SQ327). Diverted to FRA bound to MUC. Maybe it was knock-on effects.

[Bitterroot]

Yup and they sent SWW coming from SFO back to HKG as 866/865 (Which is 77WR usually). I thought they had enough 77WR for the correct routes unless that's also in maintenance

All 6 77WR have to be in service in order to cover the current rotations. Any maintenance requirements that take a frame out for longer than the scheduled layovers between flights will trigger a substitution by a non-PEY fitted aircraft.

The drill on the 11th was caused by SWK missing its turn to 866. That led to SWW being subbed off SQ1; that in turn led to SWQ performing SQ2. SWY was out for scheduled maintenance: 318 took that hit.

[SQfanatic]

So what do you guys think SNC will have? 77WN or 77WR configuration. I am predicting 77WR like SNB since no other existing old-interior 77W have been taken out of service.

Hopefully it will be enough to cover all rotations without any substitution. One of the few reasons I wish all 77W (Including 77WN are 77WR especially because of substitution reasons). I'm sure SNC (if fitted with PEY) will be ready in time for PEY launch to Dubai then ICN/SFO 2 weekly next month

[SQfanatic]

All 6 77WR have to be in service in order to cover the current rotations. Any maintenance requirements that take a frame out for longer than the scheduled layovers between flights will trigger a substitution by a non-PEY fitted aircraft.

The drill on the 11th was caused by SWK missing its turn to 866. That led to SWW being subbed off SQ1; that in turn led to SWQ performing SQ2. SWY was out for scheduled maintenance: 318 took that hit.

Wow! Explains a little on why their refits are behind schedule. They can still use 77WR 90% of the time yet at the same time a substitution has to take place now and then.

[thelongroad]

Flying SQ 228 later today. Looks like it will be on 9V-SWZ. Do people know what config this is? Flying F (redemption), hoping for WN.

Also noticed that bird is a long time on the ground (9 hrs) in MEL. Wonder why they don't add on a tag flight to NZ and back?

[FN-GM]

Flying SQ 228 later today. Looks like it will be on 9V-SWZ. Do people know what config this is? Flying F (redemption), hoping for WN.

Also noticed that bird is a long time on the ground (9 hrs) in MEL. Wonder why they don't add on a tag flight to NZ and back?

You will have the latest F seat providing the aircraft is SWZ.

[thelongroad]

You will have the latest F seat providing the aircraft is SWZ.

Thank you!

Incoming SQ227 is SWZ. Wonder why it waits 9 hours while SQ237 turns around into SQ238 in between?

[SQ228]

Thank you!

Incoming SQ227 is SWZ. Wonder why it waits 9 hours while SQ237 turns around into SQ238 in between?

It's to do with demand and yield. SQ227/8 are generally the flights in highest demand to/from MEL. The preference is to give them a better plane as they form part of what is known as the "Kangaroo Route" which is the high volume of movement between Australia and Europe, especially London/UK. These flights are therefore competing against Emirates, Qantas and others from the Middle East.

SQ237/8 does not provide any connections on the route to Europe. Its timings are a better fit for the more local Asian market. While it's also an important market, they are competing against airlines that usually aren't offering superior long-haul products- rather, often the products are regional.

When the A380 was introduced, it was initally on SQ227/8 but the issue of having it spend 9 hours on the tarmac was significant when at that stage they did not have many A380s and it was making rostering them inflexible. At that point SQ decided to switch the A380 to operate SQ227/238 so as to get it back to SIN quicker. It was a bold move but ultimately SQ238 didn't generate enough demand to fill an A380 and a 773 was simply not big enough for SQ228, which at that time did not have SQ208 to help it cope with the late afternoon peak.

We lost the A380 and got old 747s back on SQ227/8 because they were plentiful and could easily be parked on a tarmac for hours. Other than that fairly brief experiment, SQ227/8 have always remained a pair but it obviously is a headache for SQ when assigning craft to MEL.

[thelongroad]

It's to do with demand and yield. SQ227/8 are generally the flights in highest demand to/from MEL. The preference is to give them a better plane as they form part of what is known as the "Kangaroo Route" which is the high volume of movement between Australia and Europe, especially London/UK. These flights are therefore competing against Emirates, Qantas and others from the Middle East.

SQ237/8 does not provide any connections on the route to Europe. Its timings are a better fit for the more local Asian market. While it's also an important market, they are competing against airlines that usually aren't offering superior long-haul products- rather, often the products are regional.

When the A380 was introduced, it was initally on SQ227/8 but the issue of having it spend 9 hours on the tarmac was significant when at that stage they did not have many A380s and it was making rostering them inflexible. At that point SQ decided to switch the A380 to operate SQ227/238 so as to get it back to SIN quicker. It was a bold move but ultimately SQ238 didn't generate enough demand to fill an A380 and a 773 was simply not big enough for SQ228, which at that time did not have SQ208 to help it cope with the late afternoon peak.

We lost the A380 and got old 747s back on SQ227/8 because they were plentiful and could easily be parked on a tarmac for hours. Other than that fairly brief experiment, SQ227/8 have always remained a pair but it obviously is a headache for SQ when assigning craft to MEL.

Great answer, thank you! Assumed it had to do with putting best equipment on flagship routes.

[Metropolitan Airlines]

SQ 211 & 212 will also get upgraded to B77W from 6/1/2016. Just wondering whether it will be operated by B77WN since they are not selling Premium Economy on this pair?

[SQ228]

SQ 211 & 212 will also get upgraded to B77W from 6/1/2016. Just wondering whether it will be operated by B77WN since they are not selling Premium Economy on this pair?

I would imagine that the 773 flights being taken over with 77Ws will probably receive the non-refitted original 77W for the time being. There are no spare 77WR and the 77WN are likely to be prioritised for flights with higher yield as they are presently. SYI and SYK are still out of action it seems.

[SQ773ER]

Does anyone know whether SQ will deploy the 77WN on SQ324/323 before the route goes A350?

[SQfanatic]

Does anyone know whether SQ will deploy the 77WN on SQ324/323 before the route goes A350?

To my knowledge, very unlikely unless there's an ad-hoc substitution involved (rare). You will still only have the 2006 cabin products.

[SQfanatic]

Also look out for 9V-SWI (Star Alliance livery), also has not been flying since 12/30. Either undergoing refitting or some maintenance check.