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Old 25th June 2007, 06:46 PM   #1
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Thing is - I always try to spend my LH/UA miles on SQ flights.
Is the burning rate more worthwhile for LH miles on SQ flights? If that's the case, I will try to credit my next SQ flights on M&M.
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Old 25th June 2007, 07:11 PM   #2
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Is the burning rate more worthwhile for LH miles on SQ flights? If that's the case, I will try to credit my next SQ flights on M&M.
That would depend. M+M classifies awards into regions and if you can a direct flight from ** zone of origin to the zone ** destination falls into - it can be quite worthwhile. As with all Star Alliance awards you also get the 1 enroute stop for free. M+M also limits you to no more than 6 coupons for a return journey - you're allowed more for the RTW awards.

I ran into an issue with regions when I last spent my miles. I was trying to redeem an award to PVG. An Australia/NZ/Oceania to North Asia award costs 90 000 miles in Business, rather good value IMO. Now of course there aren't any direct flights since SQ hubs at SIN, which falls into South East Asia. If I'd insisted on such an award on SQ, it'd become a 3 region award (Australia/NZ/Oceania-SEA-North Asia), which means I'd need 160 000 miles for virtually the same award. I ended up redeeming Air NZ Business Premier MEL-AKL-PVG return for 90 000 miles.

On the other hand you could do quite well if your award originates in South East Asia, and you wanted to get to Australia/NZ/Oceania - you could get a very nice trip out of redeeming an SQ flight to NZ, use ** enroute stop to check out NZ, then continue on an Air NZ flight to any South Pacific destination including Fiji, Tahiti, Noumea etc. And the cost of all that would be 90 000 miles in business.
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Old 25th June 2007, 08:11 PM   #3
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I ran into an issue with regions when I last spent my miles. I was trying to redeem an award to PVG. An Australia/NZ/Oceania to North Asia award costs 90 000 miles in Business, rather good value IMO. Now of course there aren't any direct flights since SQ hubs at SIN, which falls into South East Asia. If I'd insisted on such an award on SQ, it'd become a 3 region award (Australia/NZ/Oceania-SEA-North Asia), which means I'd need 160 000 miles for virtually the same award. I ended up redeeming Air NZ Business Premier MEL-AKL-PVG return for 90 000 miles.

On the other hand you could do quite well if your award originates in South East Asia, and you wanted to get to Australia/NZ/Oceania - you could get a very nice trip out of redeeming an SQ flight to NZ, use ** enroute stop to check out NZ, then continue on an Air NZ flight to any South Pacific destination including Fiji, Tahiti, Noumea etc. And the cost of all that would be 90 000 miles in business.
Thanks for the explanations....looks like quite a bargain....
It seems like it's gonna be bye bye KF....
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Old 25th June 2007, 08:13 PM   #4
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Thanks for the explanations....looks like quite a bargain....
It seems like it's gonna be bye bye KF....
KF is not totally devoid of advantages - you can use KF miles to upgrade on SQ flight for instance. You'd need a lot more LH miles for upgrades on SQ and not all fare buckets are eligible. So all depends on what you want out of the program/s.

And as this is a completely different topic - I thought it best to start a new thread in the interest of keeping things on topic.
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Old 26th June 2007, 09:33 AM   #5
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Interesting discussion, especially useful for people like myself who are not familar with M&M.

Other advantages of KF I would think, is earning AMEX credit card points (from the KF Amex card). In 2006, I earned about 30,000 points just based on credit card spending.

What about others ? 15% discount for award redemption, priority for SQ bookings (?)


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KF is not totally devoid of advantages - you can use KF miles to upgrade on SQ flight for instance. You'd need a lot more LH miles for upgrades on SQ and not all fare buckets are eligible. So all depends on what you want out of the program/s.
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Old 26th June 2007, 12:40 PM   #6
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hi keith- so if i bank my miles with LH, how many miles will it take for a redemption on sq (north-east asia to western U.S.) in first? Do i use lufthansa's award chart or do i use sq's? I'm so confused about this double-dipping thing, it's making my head spin. also, who would i contact to do a redemption of LH miles on a SQ flight, since you can't online book the flight on either airline's website. Finally, if you bank with LH, do you still get 25% PPS mileage bonus in KF? thanks so much almighty mielage guru.
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Old 26th June 2007, 01:47 PM   #7
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What about others ? 15% discount for award redemption, priority for SQ bookings (?)
You do get expanded availability on SQ being a KF elite. Someone explained to me how this worked a while ago but I don't really remember - something about having access to an extra award bucket or two. I've generally found good availability for SQ flights using M+M miles though.

Oh and also you get access to the non-saver awards (albeit those require a lot more miles) whereas people on other *A FFPs only get the I and O class seats. This means you get access to 77W and A380 seats whereas the rest of us don't, with rare exceptions.
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Old 26th June 2007, 02:18 PM   #8
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YK@HKG,

You do need to do an indepth analysis on the various *A FFP's before committing. LH is only decent for banking miles to if you're a habitual FACJDZYB booker.

Not so fab if your bookings have other alphabets

Try searching around at BD, UA and AC too - their programs have some neat tricks as well.
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Old 26th June 2007, 02:25 PM   #9
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Try searching around at BD, UA and AC too - their programs have some neat tricks as well.
Yeah do check out BD - similar earn rate to M+M. Plus they're now open to membership worldwide.
Also seems to be the flavour of the month for some of our SQTalkers.
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Old 27th June 2007, 01:34 AM   #10
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Yeah do check out BD - similar earn rate to M+M. Plus they're now open to membership worldwide.
Also seems to be the flavour of the month for some of our SQTalkers.
It is not similar earn rate. Flying SQ C will get 1.5x on BD FFP, and SQ F will get only 2x (compare to 3x on LH M&M).
I have secured my SEN status in January 2007. That's why I moved my SQ to BD mostly. But my UA flights are still going to UA. And my AC flights are going to LH. Well, now I am looking forward in keeping my BA Silver and DL or NW Gold.
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Old 27th June 2007, 02:53 AM   #11
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It is not similar earn rate. Flying SQ C will get 1.5x on BD FFP, and SQ F will get only 2x (compare to 3x on LH M&M).
Whoops my bad there. I was mistakenly thinking that both F and C get 2x on BD. However the BD award structure seems a bit more flexible than M+M, and they have Cash+Miles. So maybe similar or slightly better earn:burn ratio on BD?

Not to mention that after qualifying for BD*G the first time with 54k EQMs or being matched to BD*G you only need 38k EQMs per 'year' to requalify. You still need 100k status miles in one of your 2 calendar years to requalify for SEN - although that's not too hard with lots of F and C travel.
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Old 27th June 2007, 03:41 AM   #12
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Not to mention that after qualifying for BD*G the first time with 54k EQMs or being matched to BD*G you only need 38k EQMs per 'year' to requalify. You still need 100k status miles in one of your 2 calendar years to requalify for SEN
... although I was being sold SEN recently by being told that if you time it right, you only need to meet this requirement every three years ? In other words, the choice is between qualifying for SEN once every three years or ensuring qualification for BD*G each year.
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You do need to do an indepth analysis on the various *A FFP's before committing. LH is only decent for banking miles to if you're a habitual FACJDZYB booker.

Not so fab if your bookings have other alphabets
Thanks for the tips
Indeed...the twice and triple miles for Business and First class bookings make it an attractive option.
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Old 6th August 2007, 05:12 AM   #14
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Smile SQ Y earn 150% M&M but if upgrade to I will earn 0?

M&M can provide 150% miles for SQ "Y" subclass. But I plan to upgrade it to C and it will be booked by "I" subclass by SQ.

However, M&M seems not to give any miles for SQ "I" because it is an award booking. Will M&M consider my commercial booking is Y?

What should I do to upgrade from Y to I and earn 150% miles both?

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Old 6th August 2007, 05:45 AM   #15
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M&M can provide 150% miles for SQ "Y" subclass. But I plan to upgrade it to C and it will be booked by "I" subclass by SQ.

However, M&M seems not to give any miles for SQ "I" because it is an award booking. Will M&M consider my commercial booking is Y?

What should I do to upgrade from Y to I and earn 150% miles both?

Thanks!
I have done this a couple of times...

Step 1: Book Y ticket on SQ and have your M&M number added for mileage accrual. Keep a saved copy/printout of the e-ticket in case you need to file a missing mileage claim later.

Step 2: Upgrade flights to I using KrisFlyer miles. You will get a new PNR number that you will use to check in. Ask KrisFlyer agent to add M&M number to new PNR as well otherwise OLCI will default to your KrisFlyer number.

Step 3: Check in as normal. Confirm that your boarding pass shows mileage credit to LH (eg. LH*G or LH*S) in the line below the KrisFlyer number.

Step 4: Retain your boarding passes. If the Y miles fail to credit to M&M after 3-4 days, they won't until you file a missing mileage claim with M&M and send in a copy of your boarding passes and original e-ticket. I've had to do this and the miles were credited about a week after I sent in the claim.
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