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  • #31
    hmm, well why do VS bother then??
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    • #32
      Originally posted by sqdazz View Post
      hmm, well why do VS bother then??
      Because BA do.

      You have to remember that when VS starting flying to SYD it was a completely different environment to what it is today, never better illustrated than the subject of this thread. Branson fought long and hard to get the right to fly to SYD, against fierce opposition from QF and BA. With the competition today from the sand pits and other places if they weren't already flying there I can't imagine that they would bother trying.

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      • #33
        Anyway QF is going to offer chauffer service to F and J pax who are on flights 12 hours and above.

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        • #34
          Investment analysts would probably have seen a pattern in qantas strategy.

          It is unlikely qantas would drop SIN totally. Bearing regulatory approval, flights would be reduced and likely outsourced to their codeshare partners.

          Jetstar asia might increase their capacity.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by zilchster View Post
            Anyway QF is going to offer chauffer service to F and J pax who are on flights 12 hours and above.
            Thought it was going to be offered on all international flights, to match EK. Also talk of QF to start PER-AKL.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Sethor View Post
              Thought it was going to be offered on all international flights, to match EK. Also talk of QF to start PER-AKL.
              No.
              From what I understand only flights 12 hours and above.
              So if you're flying SYD-SIN, SYD-NRT on J, you won't get this service.

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              • #37
                Thought the idea of offering it was to standardize the service offerings between EK & QF, I wonder if EK will introduce PE to come in line with QF.

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                • #38
                  I don't know if this is related, but Qantas is to scrap its first class lounger in Singapore.

                  http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-sc...n=home-flipper

                  I wonder if this means they r giving up on first class to SIN.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by zilchster View Post
                    I don't know if this is related, but Qantas is to scrap its first class lounger in Singapore.

                    http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-sc...n=home-flipper

                    I wonder if this means they r giving up on first class to SIN.
                    And BA appear to be taking up the lounge, hence making it a Galleries First club See: AusBT.

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                    • #40
                      It looks like BA is going to give SYD a go for a while at least as they have announce that the SYD/SIN flights will move from T3 to T5 at LHR and they are putting 77W's on the route to replce the 744's.

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                      • #41
                        On a related note, AF in S13 is increasing SIN to 4/Weekly A380 and 3/Weekly B77W, up from the current 3/Weekly A380 and 4/Weekly B77W.

                        This is a pleasently surprising decision. With QF terminating its code share agreement with AF, which gives them a big feed, one would expect an equipment down gauge if anything. But if they can succeed with O&D traffic and European connections, good for them!

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                        • #42
                          I read the other day that with the tie up EK & QF will have 50% of the UK-Australia market with SQ a rather distant second with 12%.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by MAN Flyer View Post
                            I read the other day that with the tie up EK & QF will have 50% of the UK-Australia market with SQ a rather distant second with 12%.
                            An interesting factoid, and one which my personal experiences arriving in Perth do nothing to deny.

                            The mid-afternoon SQ flight into Perth arrives just behind a QF flight from SIN, whilst the evening SQ flight arrives just behind an EK flight from AUH. In either case passengers arriving on the SQ flights are inevitably faced with an immigration hall teeming with Poms.

                            How can I tell that they are Poms? Is it because the whining continues long after the aircraft engines have been turned off? Is it because they are all saying to each other "Ee bah gum, it aint arf 'ot in 'ere, innit"?

                            No it's much more mundane than that. As the queue snakes backwards and forwards there is ample opportunity to notice the colour of their passports, and see the UK crest on the front.

                            By contrast, SQ flights seem to carry a lot more Singaporean and other asian passengers. There are far fewer Australian or European travellers.

                            Perhaps it's time for SIA to offer some better fares out of Aus, instead of their usual "sweet deals" ($50 cheaper than usual and no KF miles).

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                            • #44
                              I would think SQ just has its share spread over its 3/4 daily flights, ATM QF/BA passengers have one maybe two flight options to connect with the 4 LHR-SIN flights which arrive & depart within a 2 hr time frame in SIN.

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                              • #45
                                Qantas rejigs flights and times for Singapore, Hong Kong flights

                                Qantas has revealed the full scope of its new timetable for flights to Asia, and it packs a mix of upsides and downsides for Australian travellers.

                                It's all about re-examining Asia – and especially Singapore – as a destination rather than a stopover, says Qantas, now that Dubai has become the hub for European flights under the Qantas-Emirates alliance.

                                "We're making sure we’ve got our Asian strategy buttoned up" Simon Hicket, CEO of Qantas International, told Australian Business Traveller in advance of today's release of the new schedule. "We were actually selling through Asia, not to Asia, and now we’re selling to Asia once again."

                                Hickey says the retiming of many flights is as much about more sensible arrival times as well as better connections through other airline partners, and not just Jestar Asia.
                                "Jetstar is one carrier but we’ve got relationships with JAL, Malaysia Airlines, Cathay Pacific, China Eastern, so it’s about making sure we maximize the connection options for our customers."

                                "That’s one part of the story but the other part is making sure we’re point-to-point through our business proposition as well. So we’re gonna have the right timings, for example, in Singapore that work for business."

                                Here's a rundown of the changes.

                                Sydney: swings and roundabouts

                                Sydney-Hong Kong flights will be reduced to a single daily service from March 31, with the cancellation of the four times per week QF87/88 service from March 31. This will leave QF127/128 as the sole Sydney-Hong Kong flight, and that will be retimed to leave Sydney slightly earlier (at 9.55am instead of 10.40am).

                                A new Sydney-Singapore (QF81/82) service will run four days per week (Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday) from March 31, increasing to daily from June 24. It'll leave Sydney at 9.40am to reach Singapore at 4pm – ample time to hit your hotel, freshen up and head out to pre-dinner drinks.

                                Sydney-Bangkok QF23 is another early bird, with departure from Sydney moving forward from 12.15pm to 9.40am as of March 31.

                                Melbourne in the mix

                                As of April 15, the newly-introduced daily Melbourne-Singapore QF35 service which begins March 31 will move from 1.40pm to 9.05am out of Melbourne, making a 3.55pm touchdown into Singapore instead of 7.20pm.

                                This will fill in for the current Melbourne-Singapore-London (QF9/10) A380 flight, which as of March 31 will be rerouted via Dubai.

                                In addition, Melbourne-Hong Kong QF29 will run four hours earlier as of March 31, leaving Melbourne at 9.35am to reach Hong Kong at 5.10pm.

                                Boosts for Brisbane

                                The Brisbane-Hong Kong service (QF97/98) goes up from four flights per week to five in May 6, and then daily from June 24. All flights all run a bit earlier from March 31, however: the new timetable now sees QF97 leaving Brisbane at 10.20am for wheels-down into Hong Kong at 5.25pm.

                                Another change: Brisbane-Singapore QF51 will run earlier from April 15, leaving Brisbane at 10.20am.

                                Cancellations and cut-backs for Adelaide, Perth

                                Adelaide-Singapore (QF81/82) flights will be cancelled from April 14.
                                The Perth-Hong Kong (QF67/68) service will be cancelled from March 31 while the twice-daily Perth-Singapore service will be reduced to one flight per day (QF77/78) as of April 15.

                                That flight will be retimed for better connection to onwards flights in Asia while also making a same-day return into Perth (admittedly just shy of midnight).

                                The new schedule sees QF77 leaving Perth at 9.50am (instead of the current 11.55am) for arrival into Singapore at 3.20pm, and then heading back to Perth as QF78 for an 11.30pm touchdown.

                                Frankfurt flights close April 15

                                The loss-making Sydney-Frankfurt and Melbourne-Frankfurt flights, which were previously slated to close in October, will now cease on April 15.

                                Qantas travellers looking to reach Frankfurt or indeed any other city in mainland Europe will either need to fly back from London or, much more likely, take advantage of Qantas' codeshare partnership with Emirates, which will involve flying with Qantas or Emirates to Dubai and then transferring to one of Emirates' twice-daily services to Frankfurt.

                                (Emirates also flies direct to Dusseldorf, Hamburg and Munich, in case Frankfurt was simply your nearest jumping-off point when it came to travelling with Qantas.)

                                Your Qantas-Emirates options to Asia

                                The new Qantas-Emirates alliance will provide some additional options for passengers heading from Australia's east coast to Southeast Asia, with Qantas planning to place its QF code on four evening and overnight Emirates flights that stop on their way to Dubai:
                                • Melbourne-Singapore's daily QF405, departing at 1900 and arriving at 2350
                                • Melbourne-Kuala Lumpur's daily EK409, departing at 0230 and arriving at 0815
                                • Sydney-Bangkok's daily EK419, departing at 1845 and arriving at 0110 the next morning
                                • Brisbane-Singapore's daily EK433, departing at 0240 and arriving at 0845


                                http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-rejig...n=home-flipper

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