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Old 10th November 2019, 04:14 AM   #1651
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The 77Ws are used more for the premium market as it has 4 classes and are doing the SIN-US sectors too.
Yes they are used on SIN-US... but only one daily to SFO and one daily to LAX. Again, the A350 has taken over the 77W on some US routes, such as SIN-MAN-IAH, SIN-ICN-SFO (which was replaced by the SIN-SFO nonstop) and then SIN-ICN-LAX (which was again replaced by the SIN-LAX nonstop). My point is that the 77Ws have been aggressively replaced on many long haul routes, slowly going the way of the 77E. With that said, I agree with you that the 77W is still two or three years away from retirement.
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Old 11th November 2019, 11:18 AM   #1652
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Yes they are used on SIN-US... but only one daily to SFO and one daily to LAX. Again, the A350 has taken over the 77W on some US routes, such as SIN-MAN-IAH, SIN-ICN-SFO (which was replaced by the SIN-SFO nonstop) and then SIN-ICN-LAX (which was again replaced by the SIN-LAX nonstop). My point is that the 77Ws have been aggressively replaced on many long haul routes, slowly going the way of the 77E. With that said, I agree with you that the 77W is still two or three years away from retirement.
The fuel efficiency of the A350 is far superior, so obviously the were fast removing the 77Ws from longhaul destinations and pushed these frames onto shorter routes were the difference is probably not as significant. It shows that SQs is in a dilemma, in fact they would need to remove the 77Ws from the fleet earliest possible and replace by more fuel efficient airframes, but the replacement is delayed even more.
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Old 11th November 2019, 11:42 AM   #1653
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The 77Ws are larger and carry more passengers in 4 classes, whereas for the A350s, the longer range used for LAX and SFO and EWR are the ULRs which only carry 161 pax and do not have F class.
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Old 11th November 2019, 02:08 PM   #1654
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The 77Ws are larger.
Not by a huge amount. They have 260 Y, Y+ & J seats compared to the 253 on the A350. Granted they do have the 4 F seats as well.
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Old 12th November 2019, 02:09 AM   #1655
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no point speculating about the 77Ws.
SQ is pretty clear on this one... the 779s will be their replacements.
So it wont be until 2021 that any of them leaves. in any case, they've all gone through an expensive refurbishment, with SWJ being the first in mid-2015 and SWT the last just earlier this year.

there's really no comparison between the 77W and 359...they both complement each other in capacity (less the F seats), product and range. if fuel consumption really was an issue, then obviously the SIN-HKG-SFO & SIN-NRT-LAX routes would have been priority for 359s.
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Old 12th November 2019, 09:07 AM   #1656
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no point speculating about the 77Ws.
SQ is pretty clear on this one... the 779s will be their replacements.
So it wont be until 2021 that any of them leaves. in any case, they've all gone through an expensive refurbishment, with SWJ being the first in mid-2015 and SWT the last just earlier this year.

there's really no comparison between the 77W and 359...they both complement each other in capacity (less the F seats), product and range. if fuel consumption really was an issue, then obviously the SIN-HKG-SFO & SIN-NRT-LAX routes would have been priority for 359s.
exactly and believe the 77Ws will not leave the fleet till after 2022 pending actual delivery of the first couple of 779s.
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