A350 Deliveries and Routes

[A350R]

With the current configuration (Premium class only), they cannot just choose any city. It has to be the one with enough demand of premium customer through out the years.

Shouldn't SQ reestablish Canadian destination again? I think the normal A350 can do SIN-YVR non stop as it is shorter than SIN-SFO?

SQ and Air Canada codeshare of SIN-YVR notably at Narita. The important is who will be doing the lucrative trans-pacific. Air Canada will be reluctant to feed SQ in YVR. And SQ do not have solid relationship with Westjet.

Similarly SIN-SEA will be feasible if SQ manage to convince AS as feeder. My take of N America direct is (not in order)

1. SIN-SEA (if AS agrees to feed)
2. SIN-YVR (it may happen in a few years even without codeshare because Singapore Canada traffic is growing)
3. SIN-IAH (Upon the arrival of A350ULR-Neo)
4. SIN-ORD (should be preceded by a 5th freedom flight before this happen)

[SQ957]

With the current configuration (Premium class only), they cannot just choose any city. It has to be the one with enough demand of premium customer through out the years.

Shouldn't SQ reestablish Canadian destination again? I think the normal A350 can do SIN-YVR non stop as it is shorter than SIN-SFO?

The SIN-YVR route (or any other Canadian destination, for that matter) does not have enough traffic to support a nonstop from Singapore. SQ used to have a one-stop product to YVR more than a decade ago but was shut out of the Canadian market by AC.

[A350R]

The SIN-YVR route (or any other Canadian destination, for that matter) does not have enough traffic to support a nonstop from Singapore. SQ used to have a one-stop product to YVR more than a decade ago but was shut out of the Canadian market by AC.

This was my opinion a few years ago. Now the situation is different. According to STB, 40k Canadian visitors fly in Jan-April 2018, a whopping 26% growth.

https://www.stb.gov.sg/statistics-an...-Arrivals.aspx

Singapore Canada merits a direct air link in a few years, if current trend persist, never mind the traffic is largely split between YVR and YYZ.

[SQ957]

Other than A350NEO (which I believe is the best shot), Airbus can create an A350R (which she proposed as a paper plane for long distance instead of A350ULR).

The A350R will use the A350-1000 center fuselage + the end of A359. The resultant A350R is truly a remarkable bird that can do ultra long mission, even with the current Trent XWB. It can fly to Houston for premium payload of 161 (need to check the distance of 315 passenger).

Due to structural weight increment, the A350R will not be as efficient as A350ULR in carrying 161 pax to EWR.

One downside of A350R for SQ is in combine with RR Ultrafan, Project Sunrise would be possible -- taking away the Australia premium customer.

Best scenario for SQ is Airbus developed A350Neo instead of A350R.

The A350neo, if it does come to fruition, will be much more than a decade away. The current A350 is still a very new design. The A350-900R, on the other hand, has been proposed before, and then shelved. Bringing back the A350R for such a niche market would be too costly for Airbus, and this is why they are focusing instead on minor improvements within the existing A350-900 airframe to extend its range.

[A350R]

The A350neo, if it does come to fruition, will be much more than a decade away. The current A350 is still a very new design. The A350-900R, on the other hand, has been proposed before, and then shelved. Bringing back the A350R for such a niche market would be too costly for Airbus, and this is why they are focusing instead on minor improvements within the existing A350-900 airframe to extend its range.

Truly agree.

That is why I mentioned A350-ULR-Neo is SQ best hope for SIN-IAH. Best not to go A350R -Neo, because that can be used for Project Sunrise.

Who knows what will happen when QF keep banging on Airbus. A350-ULR-Neo cant do SYD-LON with full load (I have not calculate if it is possible for all premium SYD-LON mission with 161 pax, but rough estimate is this may not be possible also).

[A350R]

With over 130,000 searches in the last 12 months, a potential city pair from Singapore to Vancouver has been identified as this week’s “Skyscanner-anna.aero Unserved Route of the Week” – a powerful analysis based on aspirational data captured from the Skyscanner.net flight comparison site used by +70 million unique visitors per month. “Vancouver is one of our top new link targets, given the strong O&D demand on the city pair, numbering in excess of 30,000 per annum,” explains Lim Ching Kiat, Changi Airport Group’s MD for Air Hub Development.

http://www.anna.aero/2018/07/04/sing...0000-searches/

Current annual traffic O&D SIN-YVR is 30k. This route will only work a few years later after more O&D growth at current pace, and only if SQ is able use the region as catchment -- in particular KL or Jakarta.

[Jumbojet Lover]

Double-daily non-stop SIN-SFO, with one flight operated by the 350ULR? Or additional less-than-daily 350ULR service to SFO and additional less-than-daily 350ULR service to EWR? Such suspense!

So close, though I should have guessed LAX instead of EWR

Admittedly, I would have preferred a new third non-stop destination. But of course SQ is a very logical airline and their math must have shown this to be the least risky and most economical US schedule. Now I wonder if UA's decision influenced LAX 10x weekly with the A350-900ULR, or, as someone alluded to, SQ and UA were in cahoots behind the scenes for UA to cede LAX to SQ...but that doesn't explain the increase in non-stop SFO-SIN flights by both airlines.

[SQfanatic]

With the current configuration (Premium class only), they cannot just choose any city. It has to be the one with enough demand of premium customer through out the years.

Shouldn't SQ reestablish Canadian destination again? I think the normal A350 can do SIN-YVR non stop as it is shorter than SIN-SFO?

That makes logical sense then.

[A350R]

Latest Visitor Statistics

Canadian Flying in Singapore Jan - May 2018
48k
YTD Growth 26%


USA Flying in Singapore Jan - May 2018
229k
YTD Growth 15%

SQ used to fly indirect to YVR 3x a week. Assuming the agreement is still in place, it is possible that a initial thrice weekly SIN-SEA-YVR, or SIN-SEA-YYZ (SG USA has 5th freedom) are riped, if AS decided to codeshare. Then SQ can slowly build relationship with Canadian airlines.

[davidfusq]

Latest Visitor Statistics

Canadian Flying in Singapore Jan - May 2018
48k
YTD Growth 26%


USA Flying in Singapore Jan - May 2018
229k
YTD Growth 15%

SQ used to fly YVR 3x a week. Assuming the agreement is still in place, it is possible that a initial thrice weekly SIN-SEA-YVR, or SIN-SEA-YYZ (SG USA has 5th freedom) are riped, if AS decided to codeshare. Then SQ can slowly build relationship with Canadian airlines.

SQ used to fly YVR 3x weekly via ICN. The last flight was on 25 April 2009.

From research SQ also used to fly YYZ-AMS-VIE-SIN 3 times weekly with fifth freedom rights (from June 1991?). That was until Air Canada stepped in and complained to the Canadian government that SQ was stealing customers from them. The government caved in and gave SQ the rights to continue flying to YYZ but without any Fifth Freedom traffic from either VIE or AMS to YYZ. SQ Toronto service was discontinued in 1994.

In 2006, Canada introduced the Blue Sky policy to modernise its international air transportation policy. Singapore and Canada Air Service Agreement forged in 2007 allows any number of air carriers from either country to operate non-stop passenger scheduled air services as frequently as desired, between any city in Canada and Singapore.

So at this point SIN-SEA-YYZ route may not be a possibility yet unless Singapore and Canada Air Service Agreement is expanded. SIN-YVR route is possible from ASA perspective.

[A350R]

SQ SIN-USA capacity is still 4% lower compared to 2013 even after this around of addition of direct flight capacity. SIN-SFO is the only route that see capacity increased. It is doing very well, especially in the premium segment (the premium seats run out faster than the economy -- perversely indeed).

I reckon SIN-SFO will eventually have all premium flight 7 days a week. (Ironically the "normal" a359 can perform this flight)

[orionmiz]

SQ used to fly indirect to YVR 3x a week. Assuming the agreement is still in place, it is possible that a initial thrice weekly SIN-SEA-YVR, or SIN-SEA-YYZ (SG USA has 5th freedom) are riped, if AS decided to codeshare. Then SQ can slowly build relationship with Canadian airlines.

Even though it's nice to have SIN-SEA-YVR or YYZ, I personally wouldn't want to travel that kind of route:

1. Need US ESTA to transit at US airports
2. Need to go through immigration (including printing out of that paper with your ugly photo, plus questions by the officers), and TSA security screening when re-enter the airside.
3. May need to recheck check-in baggage at US airports.

Also, YVR is nearer to SIN than SEA, so not much of a point flying to SEA first before going to YVR...

[davidfusq]

Even though it's nice to have SIN-SEA-YVR or YYZ, I personally wouldn't want to travel that kind of route:

1. Need US ESTA to transit at US airports
2. Need to go through immigration (including printing out of that paper with your ugly photo, plus questions by the officers), and TSA security screening when re-enter the airside.
3. May need to recheck check-in baggage at US airports.

Also, YVR is nearer to SIN than SEA, so not much of a point flying to SEA first before going to YVR...

Considering all the options available and the recent announcement on the A359ULR routes, I see more potential in SQ starting 3x weekly SIN-YVR route with A359 as its next move on the North American market. But if SIN-YVR doesn't command many premium traffic, perhaps Scoot would start this route, after-all Scoot has spare B788 long haul aircraft available.

[A350R]

Considering all the options available and the recent announcement on the A359ULR routes, I see more potential in SQ starting 3x weekly SIN-YVR route with A359 as its next move on the North American market. But if SIN-YVR doesn't command many premium traffic, perhaps Scoot would start this route, after-all Scoot has spare B788 long haul aircraft available.

Scoot 788 is loaded way above the the specification of 2 class 242 pax to about 320++. I doubt it has the capability to do a SIN-YVR.

Its effective all weather range should be around 10,000km, about the distance of SIN-TXL. Since Canada is quite protectionistic, probably we may see scoot on SIN-KIX-SEA instead. Alternatively it could be SQ on SIN-INC-SEA. If SQ manage to get AS to codeshare, we will see SQ on SIN-SEA.

AS is quite liberal on codesharing.

[SilverChris]

SQ used to fly indirect to YVR 3x a week. Assuming the agreement is still in place, it is possible that a initial thrice weekly SIN-SEA-YVR, or SIN-SEA-YYZ (SG USA has 5th freedom) are riped, if AS decided to codeshare. Then SQ can slowly build relationship with Canadian airlines.

No airline in the right mind would start Asia-SEA-YVR/YYZ, due in no small part to having to deal with CBP midway through the journey.

Its effective all weather range should be around 10,000km, about the distance of SIN-TXL. Since Canada is quite protectionistic, probably we may see scoot on SIN-KIX-SEA instead. Alternatively it could be SQ on SIN-INC-SEA. If SQ manage to get AS to codeshare, we will see SQ on SIN-SEA.

AS is quite liberal on codesharing.

If SQ were to start SEA, it wouldn’t be solely due to AS’ willingness to codeshare. Sure, it’ll help, but the route won’t survive purely on AS’ connecting traffic.