New Terminal at XSP - Singapore Seletar Airport

[davidfusq]

Firefly to suspend all flights to Singapore from 1 December

https://www.todayonline.com/singapor...ingapore-dec-1

I wonder what's the delay in the "relevant authorities have cleared remaining matters in relation to the Singapore authority’s plans to move turboprop operations from Changi International to Seletar (Airport)" about? Anyone can provide insights into the matter?

[boing]

That's a shocking move. Wonder what's the sticking issue. Just curious if CAG has made transportation plans for transit passengers with flights at Changi ?

[boing]

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...t-move-453841/
Lack of ILS facilities seems to be the sore point. A valid point if you ask me.

[ek&sq]

It's somewhat baffling that CAG and Firefly didn't work hand in hand on technical and operational requirements given Firefly was the only airline expected to operate from XSP upon its opening.

[davidfusq]

CAG has also been in discussion with other airlines who have expressed interest to operate scheduled services to Seletar Airport.

Mr Sobie said that a prospective airline would be another Malaysian airline Malindo Air, given that it had talked about flying from Seletar once the new terminal opens, but they were told that there is no space for Malindo Air to operate in the new terminal and they will have to wait.

Source: https://www.todayonline.com/singapor...ghts-singapore

Is Seletar only able to accommodate 20 commercial departure and arrivals per day (10 slot pairs)? Unlikely right... or Firefly is going to expand rapidly from Seletar that leaves Malindo without space to operate at Seletar?

Or is it because of the 4 available check in counters in the whole terminal? Couldn’t believe CAG had done such a design boo boo with Seletar

[davidfusq]

Update from Civil Aviation Authority of Malaysia

It seems the problem is the outstanding airspace issue between Malaysia and Singapore.

https://m.facebook.com/CivilAviation...type=3&theater

[davidfusq]

Firefly forced to suspend flights to Singapore because it has no approval from Malaysian civil aviation regulator to move to Seletar


https://www.straitstimes.com/singapo...thority-raises

[shikhargpt]

So, the truth emerges. CAG not the issue here, as expected.

[259850]

What I read between the lines in the series of public comments is:

1) CAAS and CAAM have some longstanding dispute(s) over airspace.

2) CAAM is trying to use its approval of the FY transfer to XSP as a bargaining chip to enhance its negotiating position.

3) CAAS and CAG are refusing to budge. They'd rather let a new terminal remain unused than concede on whatever that's been asked of them. [But we can't take their side without knowing what the real issues are.]

4) Poor FY. And poor FY passengers.

[davidfusq]

Firefly suspension: dispute over airspace control?

The Civil Aviation Authority of Malaysia (CAAM) and the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore (CAAS) are believed to have a disagreement over airspace control, which has led to the suspension of Firefly’s operation to the republic.

NST Business understood that airlines would encroach Malaysian airspace during the departure and landing procedures at Seletar Airport, which was set by CAAS.

The procedures were completely rejected by CAAM, sources close to the matter told NST Business.

https://www.nst.com.my/business/2018...rspace-control

Does this mean that most non-scheduled flight in and out of Seletar are encroaching over Malaysia airspace?

Maybe it is a poor geographic location for Seletar to begin with.

Could it then be mitigated by having departure and arrival path to fly through the south? Then again doing so will limit runway capacity and may not be practical if the prevailing wind direction is blowing in the wrong direction which thus require longer runway length to compensate for it and Seletar runway is short.

[9V-JKL]

Temporal Ceasefire....

https://www1.mfa.gov.sg/Newsroom/Pre...S-8Jan-Meeting

both sides would immediately simultaneously suspend Malaysia’s permanent RA and Singapore’s implementation of the ILS procedures for Seletar Airport, for a period of one month in the first instance. They agreed that, in the meantime, the Transport Ministers from both countries should meet soon for discussions on the RA and the Seletar Airport ILS procedures to ensure the safety and efficiency of civil aviation.

[CarbonMan]

And the winner is .... AirAsia. They seemed to be filling the FY gap from SIN. They started mounting flights to IPH in Dec, albeit 4 days a week, rather than a daily. Kudos to them for seeing an opportunity. Wonder if they can also do a SIN-SZBvv.

[jani]

They can if they have turboprops

[SQuelch]

They can if they have turboprops

Yes for SZB, not for SIN

[flyguy]

I suppose it would have been better for CAAS to talk to CAAM way in advance before they implement the ILS and start the services insead of only informing CAAM a few months before the commencement. There was no problem all along as seletar have been operating for more than 40 years without ILS.