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    Sorry I'm a O/W RTW newbie. Please be patient with my silly questions.

    1. Most basic question. My lack of geography is showing.

    a) Definition of 'Continent' in One World terms -
    Would that be Europe/Middle East, North America, South America, South Pacific (Australia/New Zealand), Asia (SE Asia, India and China?), Africa and Antarctica?

    b) Which continent would Hawaii come under?

    c) Would a DONE4 cover Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore, India, the UK, Oman, some place in Europe, Libya and North America?


    2. Question concerning segments in Europe/Middle East.
    The rules state:
    'Europe / Middle East 4 (Not more than 2 of which may be between the UK and ALGERIA,
    BOSNIA & HERZEGOVINA, BULGARIA, CROATIA, CYPRUS,
    GREECE, ISRAEL, MALTA, MIDDLE EAST , MOROCCO, PORTUGAL,
    ROMANIA, RUSSIA, SERBIA, TUNISIA, UKRAINE
    whether part of the free continent allowance of 4 coupons, purchased as
    additional coupons, or a combination of both)'

    a) My interpretation: Max 4 segments within the region. I can choose only one country from that list to go to. LHR to Russia return or LHR-MCT return.
    The other two segments could be LHR-HEL or LHR-FRA return. Is that right?

    b) Just to clarify: Even if I purchase extra coupons, I can't make an additional trip to Israel or Egypt if I had a trip to Oman already?

    3. Question about transfer
    The rules state:
    'Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except
    as follows:
    For travel to/from or via Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania two permitted in Europe when one is a transfer without stopover between Ghana/Nigeria/Kenya/Uganda/Tanzania and another continent.'

    I am absoutely clueless with this convoluted statement!

    a) So if I was going to Kenya or Tanzania from LHR, what are the conditions?

    b) What's this talk about transfer without stopover between the countries and another continent? Examples? I noticed Savage25's segment 'LHR-DAR-xLHR-BOM', which I don't understand at all! So is Savage transferring from LHR to BOM via DAR (not gettng out of DAR) or what?

    c) Say if I was going to Libya from LHR, I can't go to another African country like Tanzania as well?

    Many thanks!

  • #2
    Are you pseudo cross-posting?
    HUGE AL

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    • #3
      Originally posted by HUGE AL View Post
      Are you pseudo cross-posting?
      Cross posting? No. The questions are different. But they're all related to OneWorld RTWs.

      Pseudo? Perhaps.

      BTW, thanks for providing the link. Now the OW experts here won't miss all my questions.

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      • #4
        I assume these questions are in respect of xONEx (Oneworld Explorer continent-based RTW) and not xGLOBx (Oneworld Global Explorer mileage-based RTW).

        1)

        a) Continents are

        Europe - includes Middle East, North Africa (except libya), Caucasus
        North America - includes Central America, Caribbean & Hawaii
        South America - includes Easter Island & Falkland Islands, but not Tahiti
        Southwest Pacific - Australia to Tahiti and all in between
        Asia - includes Guam
        Africa - includes Mauritius
        Antarctica isn't defined as a continent due to no OW flights.

        b) North America. Note can only have one intra-north america flight to/from Hawaii, thus if include Hawaii have to connect to either Asia or Australia.

        c) Libya is Africa and thus cannot be included in a xONEx due to backtracking rules. All the others could potentially be covered by xONE3 (but note rules on maximum flights per continent (4 except North America which is 6), maximum stopovers in continent of origin (2), no flying through origin (thus if start in UK cannot do LHR-MCT-LHR have to do LHR-MCT-AMM or vv), etc.

        2) a) Yes b) correct

        3)

        a) It means you can do FRA-LHR-NBO-LHR-SIN where the second time through LHR must be a transit (<24 hours).

        b) See above, transit 2nd time in LHR.

        c) Libya cannot be done on xONEx - see above.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by phaleesy View Post
          Cross posting? No. The questions are different. But they're all related to OneWorld RTWs.

          Pseudo? Perhaps.
          Troublemaker!

          I do think, however, that once you feel you've got all the answers, perhaps the two should be merged to help others with similar good questions.

          Originally posted by phaleesy View Post
          BTW, thanks for providing the link. Now the OW experts here won't miss all my questions.
          I got your back, girl.

          Originally posted by phaleesy View Post
          Even if I purchase extra coupons, I can't make an additional trip to Israel or Egypt if I had a trip to Oman already?
          Just thought of something when I re-read this (specifically the "Israel" and "Oman" part): Not sure what country passport you hold, but there are certain ones where you would need to exercise "prudence" in entry stamps.
          HUGE AL

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          • #6
            Originally posted by HUGE AL View Post
            Just thought of something when I re-read this (specifically the "Israel" and "Oman" part): Not sure what country passport you hold, but there are certain ones where you would need to exercise "prudence" in entry stamps.
            Neither Eygpt or Oman ban you from entering if you have an Israeli stamp in your passport which makes things easier. If in doubt you can always ask the Israeli immigration people not to stamp your passport. Israel does not ban entry based on stamps in your passport but does give you a much harder time entering the country if you have a lot of Arab country stamps in it.

            As far as countries which ban their own citizens from entering Israel apart from the Arab countries the main ones are Indonesia and Malaysia where you would need to be careful.

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            • #7
              Israel is happy to stamp a piece of paper instead of your passport.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by phaleesy View Post
                Would a DONE4 cover Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore, India, the UK, Oman, some place in Europe, Libya and North America?
                Originally posted by Kiwi View Post
                All the others could potentially be covered by xONE3
                Just to clarify that if I don't touch Africa (e.g. Libya), I could get away with a DONE3.

                Originally posted by Kiwi View Post
                c) Libya is Africa and thus cannot be included in a xONEx due to backtracking rules.
                I'm sorry but I don't understand the statement. Could you please elaborate?

                Originally posted by Kiwi View Post
                no flying through origin (thus if start in UK cannot do LHR-MCT-LHR have to do LHR-MCT-AMM or vv), etc.
                Since I can't do LHR-TIP-LHR, but could do LHR-TIP-xLHR-HKG, I'd need to break my journey in TIP and get a flight back to LHR. Would there be a problem for me to purchase a ticket back to LHR?

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                • #9
                  Yes if you don't touch TIP it'd be a xONE3.

                  There's no way for you to visit Libya on an xONEx. The only way for you to enter/leave TIP is via Europe (LHR or AMM from memory).

                  And once you enter Africa you can't go back to Europe again unless your itinerary involves one of the following countries:
                  FOR TRAVEL TO/FROM/VIA GHANA/NIGERIA/KENYA ‡
                  UGANDA AND TANZANIA TWO PERMITTED IN EUROPE WHEN
                  ONE IS A TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN
                  GHANA/NIGERIA/KENYA/UGANDA/TANZANIA AND ANOTHER
                  CONTINENT.
                  I wonder why TIP was left out when there are similar network limitations.

                  It seems the only way for you to visit TIP is to make your own way after TIP to something like JNB and fly out to HKG from there. You'd then incur a surface segment TIP//JNB which counts towards your 16 segment limit. It might just be easier for you to get an xONE3, and buying your own ticket to TIP and back tbh.
                  Last edited by KeithMEL; 6 April 2009, 08:51 AM.
                  All opinions shared are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer or any other organisation of which I'm affiliated to.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by phaleesy View Post
                    Just to clarify that if I don't touch Africa (e.g. Libya), I could get away with a DONE3.
                    Yes - europe, asia, north america = 3 continents.

                    Originally posted by phaleesy View Post
                    I'm sorry but I don't understand the statement. Could you please elaborate?
                    Continents for purposes of xONEx are odd - see my previous reply. On xONEx you are not allowed to back-track between continents except for certain specific exemptions - ie cannot do Europe-Africa-Europe unless the place in Africa is one of the listed exemptions (eg Kenya, Tanzania). Libya isn't listed thus not exempt from the no backtracking rule. If Libya was treated as Europe (like Egypt, Morocco, etc) then there wouldn't be an issue - but unfortunately Libya is treated as Africa.

                    Originally posted by phaleesy View Post
                    Since I can't do LHR-TIP-LHR, but could do LHR-TIP-xLHR-HKG, I'd need to break my journey in TIP and get a flight back to LHR. Would there be a problem for me to purchase a ticket back to LHR?
                    You can't do that. Libya isn't one of the listed exemptions for backtracking through Europe. Strictly speaking you could do LHR-TIP/NBO-xLHR, with surface segment between Libya and one of the exempt countries, or LHR-TIP/HRE-JNB- either HKG or SYD with surface segment between Libya and either JNB or one of the destinations served by Comair. I didn't mention this before as long African surface segments tend to be very expensive.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by KeithMEL View Post
                      There's no way for you to visit Libya on an xONEx. The only way for you to enter/leave TIP is via Europe (LHR or AMM from memory).
                      Yes BA and RJ both fly to TIP. Otherwise some other airlines to TIP (several *A options, Air Malta, etc).
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                      • #12
                        I think I might do Asia, Europe and South America instead.

                        Countries I'm thinking of doing for the moment: ICN, NRT, SIN, BOM, LHR, MCT, some Spanish city, Mexico, HAV, HKG and ICN.

                        If Cuba is involved at all, AA would not ticket it. Who could I ticket with with such a routing?

                        Thanks.

                        Edit to add: Is Cuba considered South America or North America (and the Caribbean) in OW terminology?
                        Last edited by phaleesy; 7 April 2009, 05:19 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Answering my own question: HAV is North America. Reachable via MAD and SCL. Not worth doing since it'd become an extra continent!
                          Last edited by phaleesy; 7 April 2009, 08:23 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by phaleesy View Post
                            I think I might do Asia, Europe and South America instead.
                            It seems I can't do a DONE3 with this combination? All flights from South America to Asia need to go via North America, Europe or Aus/NZ. Which would be 4 continents!
                            Last edited by phaleesy; 7 April 2009, 08:24 AM.

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