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    Air France and SIA co-operate against Gulf rivals

    Now it is the turn of Air France and Singapore Airlines (SIA) to link their networks.

    The aim is to offer travellers easier connectivity via their hubs of Paris CDG and Singapore.

    Both are following in the footsteps of the Lufthansa Group which is working closely with its Asian counterparts to counter their powerful Gulf-based rivals.

    In the case of Air France and SIA it will mean that passengers departing a number of European cities (with Air France) will make easier transfers in Singapore. Those departing Singapore with SIA will find that making transfers at Paris CDG will also be easier.

    Air France will place its AF code on SIA flights to Melbourne and Sydney and on Silk Air (one of SIA’s regional subsidiary’s) to Kuala Lumpur, Penang and Phuket (Thailand) for travellers via Singapore.

    In return SIA’s code (SQ) will appear on Air France connections via Paris CDG to 10 destinations. These are: Aberdeen, Bordeaux, Edinburgh, Lisbon, Lyon, Madrid, Marseille, Newcastle, Nice and Toulouse.

    It must be stressed that this news broke only a few hours ago. Both carriers want to start this linkage as soon as April 27 but government approval is still required.

    Also both have yet (at the time of writing) to agree on reciprocal opportunities between their relevant FFPs (frequent flyer programmes).

    It is true that the initial range of available destinations is limited. But both carriers stress that co-operation is at an early stage so we can look forward to better things.

    Patrick Roux, senior VP alliances at Air France stated, “This new agreement is excellent news for our airline and for our customers. It will significantly improve the connections for Air France customers from Singapore to Australia. This kind of partnership is part of our aim to expand our market position and increase our range of destinations for our customers all around the world.”

    Adds Tan Kai Ping, SIA’s senior VP, marketing planning, “We are delighted with our new partnership with Air France-KLM which offers significant benefits to customers through enhanced connections and increased code-share destinations. In addition, this new agreement provides a strong foundation for future commercial co-operation opportunities between our two airline groups. It is also another example of our commitment to the Singapore hub and European market.”

    So once again we find that two leading airlines of two rival alliances are working together.

    Only recently we reported on the linkage between the Lufthansa Group (Star Alliance) and Cathay Pacific (Oneworld).

    Now we have Air France (Skyteam) working with SIA (Star Alliance).

    The short notice given by this latest partnership would suggest both are rushing to compete with what Lufthansa has done (with its various linkages with Asian carriers including, ironically, SIA) but it also shows the competitive pressure both carriers are now facing from the Gulf airlines.

    Both in Europe and Asia the Gulf carriers have expanded to include secondary destinations and therefore can offer competitive one-stop schedules.

    So travellers based in Nice or Edinburgh can still reach Asia with one en route stop (in the Gulf).te and SIA links cover Aberdeen and Edinburgh so travellers from/to these Scottish cities now have an alternative to Flybe as their domestic connector to London.

    Business Traveller will update readers when more information becomes available.

    Source: https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...e-gulf-rivals/
    I think the real competition now turns between non-gulf carriers and gulf carriers on Asia/Pacific-Europe sector now.

    I seriously wondering why people will still travel on gulf carriers as they have 3-4-3 B777-300ERs also they don't provide yummy pork and bacon for meals.

    Moreover, transiting through the Middle East is dangerous as it is a region full of terrorists.

    Wouldn't passengers better by flying direct from Singapore to Europe or go from Australia/NZ to Europe via Singapore that not only they can enjoy 3-3-3 B777 but also quality service, safe transit country and pork for a meal?

  • #2
    Originally posted by Metropolitan Airlines View Post
    I seriously wondering why people will still travel on gulf carriers as they have 3-4-3 B777-300ERs also they don't provide yummy pork and bacon for meals.

    Moreover, transiting through the Middle East is dangerous as it is a region full of terrorists.

    Wouldn't passengers better by flying direct from Singapore to Europe or go from Australia/NZ to Europe via Singapore that not only they can enjoy 3-3-3 B777 but also quality service, safe transit country and pork for a meal?
    Well done! Such wisdom!
    Last edited by 9V-JKL; 13 April 2017, 08:55 PM.

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    • #3
      Wow the amount of rubbish thrown up about why not to fly ME3 is kind of disgusting. 3-4-3 on a 777 i understand, but no pork and bacon + terrorists??

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      • #4
        One reason why I would avoid ME is due to the flight times. I really find 6-7 hr flights are neither here nor there as you can't get a full proper rest. I'd prefer a full 12-13 hr flight for rest followed by a short flight.

        So this AF SQ maybe be interesting to consider

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        • #5
          Actually, on my recent SQ26 flight from FRA-JFK, I asked for the chicken, was given chicken, but folded back the foil to discover pork!!! (True story!)
          I think there's a conspiracy here involving pork.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SQ228 View Post
            Actually, on my recent SQ26 flight from FRA-JFK, I asked for the chicken, was given chicken, but folded back the foil to discover pork!!! (True story!)
            I think there's a conspiracy here involving pork.
            Did you also fold back the foil on the IFE, expecting 2D Maps, but getting 3D Maps instead?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SQ228 View Post
              Actually, on my recent SQ26 flight from FRA-JFK, I asked for the chicken, was given chicken, but folded back the foil to discover pork!!! (True story!)
              I think there's a conspiracy here involving pork.
              Hi SQ228! That sounds like a very serious lapse (Mislabelled catering. Whether for religious reasons or health. I can imagine issues if a mislabelled dish was given to someone with a seafood or peanut allergy for example). Did you highlight it to the cabin crew so that they could raise it with their catering provider? Or was it simply the case of the cabin crew giving you the wrong coloured casserole?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by yflyer View Post
                Hi SQ228! That sounds like a very serious lapse (Mislabelled catering. Whether for religious reasons or health. I can imagine issues if a mislabelled dish was given to someone with a seafood or peanut allergy for example). Did you highlight it to the cabin crew so that they could raise it with their catering provider? Or was it simply the case of the cabin crew giving you the wrong coloured casserole?
                The weird thing was that pork wasn't even one of the options, although I have had that exact same meal a few times when departing FRA. I didn't bother saying anything because i actually liked the meal much more than the other options on offer!

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                • #9
                  Well it is certainly great news for paxs who is flying to Europe from SIN on SQ. This partnership will allows SQ to tap onto AF vast domestic network from their CDG Hub to offer connection to smaller/less popular European cities. From my personal experiences, AF domestic European flights from CDG is probably the best choice available.

                  However one of the challenges I can forsee will be the transferring of baggage from SQ flight to the AF domestic flight. SQ operates from CDG T1 while AF International and Domestic operates from CDG T2E and T2F respectively. The distance separating CDG T1 and T2 group of terminals is pretty far.

                  With this cooperation, could we literally see SQ moving from the ancient old CDG T1 to the modern T2E soon?
                  Last edited by iancasillas; 15 April 2017, 01:32 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by loldude333 View Post
                    Did you also fold back the foil on the IFE, expecting 2D Maps, but getting 3D Maps instead?


                    Originally posted by iancasillas View Post
                    With this cooperation, could we literally see SQ move from the ancient old CDG T1 to the modern T2E soon?
                    That would be an excellent move! T1 is just awful, and it simply cannot handle an A380 without using more than one gate.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SQGamespeed View Post
                      That would be an excellent move! T1 is just awful, and it simply cannot handle an A380 without using more than one gate.
                      CDG T1 is one of the world's most beautiful buildings in my opinion, but I'd gladly have SQ move out of it because it is no longer functional. One issue with moving, however, is that T1 is Star Alliance. Would SQ need to do some difficult negotiations around lounges?

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                      • #12
                        does it mean possible redemption for La Premiere?

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                        • #13
                          Seems like La Premiere is very closely guarded; only FlyingBlue members can redeem miles and even then it isn't easy. I wouldn't expect this to change even with the new agreement between the airlines.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Metropolitan Airlines View Post
                            Moreover, transiting through the Middle East is dangerous as it is a region full of terrorists.
                            Gee. Where is that piece of hate BS coming from?

                            How many people have transited through DXB, DOH, AUH? 1 billion? How many were injured, kidnapped or killed? Zero...?

                            I apologize stupidity but I don't tolerate this nonsense hate speech. Think a bit harder before you post and do some fact finding.

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