Confirmed: PPS values do matter for op-ups

[TerryK]

It was SIN-MXP!
Very low indeed... but what can I do?

Sounds like the AZ deal.

You can call SQ to see if you can make a donation which counts toward PPS Values for that segment?

[SQ LPP]

You can call SQ to see if you can make a donation which counts toward PPS Values for that segment?

Not too bother with any PPS values at all here... After all, I am a LPP. Take any low fares available around!

[LukeGT]

Sounds like the AZ deal.

You can call SQ to see if you can make a donation which counts toward PPS Values for that segment?

I would ask for a ticket at that value....

[MAN Flyer]

Op-up's, what op-up's ?. This is SQ we're talking about...

[SQ LPP]

The system does seem to give an advantage to flyers whose travel patterns load up on PPSV early in the membership year.

Seems like the op-ups is based on the PPS Value for the year and Status rather than the cumulative PPS Value. All the while I thought is based on cumulative and Status.

Op-up's, what op-up's ?. This is SQ we're talking about...

Ok... it's not cumulative.
The order is still the same: LPP, TPP, and QPP
Among each level, the CURRENT PPS VALUES will determine who gets in the higher list position.
So for someone who is almost at the end of the requalifying period, most probably has more PPS Values than someone who just at the beginning of requalification. That's why jjpb3 suggestion should work well.

[sfvoyage]

Every flyer has a different month of the year in his/her membership. So we could guess that there would be a flaw in the system.

The different membership month plus using current year PPSV instead of lifetime cumulative PPSV actually has the overall benefit of introducing some randomness to the whole op-up game.

Are you sure it's based on tier and then PPSV, as opposed to just PPSV?

If op-ups are based on cumulative PPSV, LPPs will more likely 'win', thus rendering op-ups an expected entitlement for them and dis-incenting others. And since LPPs don't have to worry about requalifying, they could then buy cheap Y fares and hope for an op-up.

If op-ups are based on current year PPSV, any PPS, depending on their travel pattern and their luck - their membership month relative to other PPS' membership month on that flight on that particular day - may have a chance at that elusive op-up once in a blue moon. It's certainly better in terms of customer delight for SQ to spread the wealth around, as rare an occurrence as it is, than keep handing out op-ups to LPPs.

But if it's based on tier and then PPSV, then LPPs on cheap Y fare will still trump TPPs & QPPs on full fare, which is a bit inconsistent with SQ's focus on awarding current premium passengers rather than legacy.

[SQ LPP]

The different membership month plus using current year PPSV instead of lifetime cumulative PPSV actually has the overall benefit of introducing some randomness to the whole op-up game.

Yes, I realized about the randomness in this op-up. But still, if someone determines to rack the PPS values at the beginning of monts of requalification, it will give this person a bit of advantage.

Are you sure it's based on tier and then PPSV, as opposed to just PPSV?

Yes, it is based on TIER first. If in the TIER there are more than one, PPS value will determine the rank.

If op-ups are based on cumulative PPSV, LPPs will more likely 'win', thus rendering op-ups an expected entitlement for them and dis-incenting others. And since LPPs don't have to worry about requalifying, they could then buy cheap Y fares and hope for an op-up.

No cumulative PPS V used. And BTW, for LPP, the cumulative PPS Value is zero.

If op-ups are based on current year PPSV, any PPS, depending on their travel pattern and their luck - their membership month relative to other PPS' membership month on that flight on that particular day - may have a chance at that elusive op-up once in a blue moon. It's certainly better in terms of customer delight for SQ to spread the wealth around, as rare an occurrence as it is, than keep handing out op-ups to LPPs.

Again, op-up is not common. There is always a way to lure other pax to take the next flight or the next day. So, it's not always happened that SQ needs to do op-up.

But if it's based on tier and then PPSV, then LPPs on cheap Y fare will still trump TPPs & QPPs on full fare, which is a bit inconsistent with SQ's focus on awarding current premium passengers rather than legacy.

I think it depends on the route. It seems that when I am taking Y, I am the only LPP, and the flights were not overbooked in Y. I heard that most LPP still flies on C at least. And remember that the LPPs are inclusive of the supplementary card holders as well.
Talking to some SQ staff regarding my supplement card, they suggested to me to give it to someone who flies Y mostly, since it will be more beneficial or the most advantage that can be expected.

[SuperJonJon]

Talking to some SQ staff regarding my supplement card, they suggested to me to give it to someone who flies Y mostly, since it will be more beneficial or the most advantage that can be expected.

Thanks, SQ LPP! Did you send the card to my home or office address?

[aerosmith]

So going by this line of logic, e.g. a TPP supplementary card holder who travel in Y all the time, and who has ZERO PPSV will ALWAYS trump any QPP with loads of current PPSV when it comes to op-up?

[sfvoyage]

And BTW, for LPP, the cumulative PPS Value is zero.

Does the mean you were joking? (I thought LPP has cum PPSV just like other PPS members?)

[SuperJonJon]

Does the mean you were joking? (I thought LPP has cum PPSV just like other PPS members?)

I believe that LPP has 0 cumulative PPSV as it has no bearing / meaning to them. They don't have to requalify or bother about it so why track it?

[sfvoyage]

I believe that LPP has 0 cumulative PPSV as it has no bearing / meaning to them. They don't have to requalify or bother about it so why track it?

That makes sense, so they don't have current PPSV as well then?

SQ probably will track it for their internal accounting & reporting purposes anyway.

[SQ LPP]

That makes sense, so they don't have current PPSV as well then?

SQ probably will track it for their internal accounting & reporting purposes anyway.

In the profile, for LPP, cumulative PPSV is zero, but CURRENT PPS Value is being tracked. For example, at the moment I have passed 25K mark.

[wdranne]

Just curious, does anyone know if the check-in agent has any idea if a person is a supplementary card holder or is it just reflected as 'TPP' or 'LPP'?

[taipeiflyer]

yes they know. my god-dad is a LPP, and my god-brother has the supplementary card. they definitely know who was the "bread winner" even when flying separately. however, that certainly doesn't mean that my god-brother doesn't get treated equally as well.