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    [report posted on a few different forums (and facebook! ), apologies for the tendency to ramble on like a kid in a candy store as I explain the more technical details]

    My first oneworld explorer – the pre-trip report report on the trials and tribulations of booking an offshore-origin RTW ticket

    Round the world (RTW) fares, primarily offered by the 3 major airline alliances these days, are a good way to travel around the world at a relatively bargain-basement cost. As someone on Flyertalk puts it, the First and Business Class RTW fares which originate from ‘cheap’ locations such as Stockholm, Tokyo, Mauritius, Colombo and Karachi – brought premium travel to the unwashed middle class.

    Having avidly followed the exploits of RTWers on Flyertalk/SQTalk for a bit, I thought that such a ticket would be most suitable for my Next Big Trip, which would take in bits of Asia (to see Mum and Dad), Europe, North America, and some weekend trips in Australia/NZ. I then decided on the oneworld explorer after finding nothing really appealing in Star Alliance after abandoning Singapore Airlines due to their heinous ‘enhancements’ to the PPS Club. I did enjoy Lufthansa and SWISS in First, but I’m also realistic in thinking that it’d be a one off event for my wallet. A oneworld round the world also had no mileage limitation like the Star Alliance version, only segment limitation.

    Now I wasn’t going to fly 56 000 odd miles in Economy. Why subject myself to bruises and bumps, and terrible jetlag when a Business Class ticket from one of the abovementioned exotic locations cost just that little bit more. Sure, I’d have to burn some hard earned miles to get to the starting point in the first place – but do back to back RTWs a few times in a row and I’d have more than made up the cost of the redemption award. Besides, I’d also be adding a modicum of mileage and tier bonuses to my AAdvantage account and hit Executive Platinum/oneworld emerald status in no time. New Marc Newson-designed Qantas First Class lounge here I come… but first – the planning.

    First – the origin. It has to be relatively easy to get to. Sri Lanka appeared to offer one of the lowest oneworld explorer business class fare in Asia, shaving almost $4000 off the ex-Australia fare. Despite some political volatility in Sri Lanka, there’d also been some moves towards peace in recent times which made it relatively safe for mileage runners to get cheap(ish) tickets from. For someone based in Australia, Colombo was not too hard to get to. I’d booked an award ticket with my AAdvantage miles, flying Qantas to Singapore and connecting to a Cathay Pacific flight to Colombo with an overnight stop in Singapore. Just as that occurred, the truce in Colombo that existed between the government and the rebels evaporated and Colombo had descended into civil war once again. In addition, because Cathay Pacific had insurance concerns, all Cathay flights to Colombo were suspended ‘until further notice.’ This effectively meant that Colombo was left without a major oneworld airline. The only other oneworld carrier servicing Colombo was Royal Jordanian who only flew to Colombo twice weekly.

    So the musical chairs of finding another cheap location started again. The fare out of Pakistan was not much more expensive than Sri Lanka, but this time I knew better than to chance it on an origin with ongoing stability concerns. The next cheapest location, partly due to an undervalued currency, was Tokyo, which was surprising because I’d normally associated cheap air tickets with more ‘exotic’ locations like Bangkok and Mauritius. Despite being a little more expensive than Pakistan or Sri Lanka, a oneworld explorer out of Japan offered more contingencies than the former 2 locations – 1) Tokyo is serviced with daily flights from a wide variety of oneworld carriers (Cathay/Qantas/BA/American amongsts others); 2) No safety concerns; 3) It’s easier to get to Tokyo than it is to Colombo due to the more flexible flight schedules. So verily I canceled my award booking to Colombo, and replaced it with a more straightforward routing to Tokyo: Qantas to Hong Kong, connecting to Cathay Pacific to Tokyo with a 3 hour layover in Honkers. The fact that Tokyo is somewhere on my ‘favourite cities in the world’ list also helped.

    Next – who to deal with. As round the world fares are identical whether booking with an airline or a travel agent, there was little advantage booking via a travel agent. And as these tickets are deemed high maintenance by many travel agents who know their stuff, you’d likely be hit with a service fee if engaging the service of a travel agent. I was also not familiar with any travel agent based in Tokyo.

    In theory, a oneworld explorer can be issued by any oneworld carrier, even one that doesn’t participate in the itinerary at all. I soon found out that the level of RTW competence varied a lot from carrier to carrier. The Qantas agent I spoke to was almost clueless as to booking a OWE and insisted that I traveled on ‘simpler’ routings to prevent potential conflicts with fare rules (he didn’t know he was dealing with a flying buff), British Airways took forever to return a fare quote, and the agent I spoke to at the Cathay Pacific office in Tokyo insisted that I ought to contact the first carrier on my itinerary (Japan Airlines, a new oneworld member – and hence unpolished and untested when it comes to oneworld products).

    Prior to all this, I also did not realize that different carriers had different policies in relation to fuel surcharges (really an euphemism for ‘fuel fines.’). And that American Airlines charged the least fuel fines – limited only to its own flights, and only transatlantic/transpacific segments at that! Ticketing with AA shaved off at least a thousand bucks in fuel fines. Upon contacting AA, I was also pleasantly surprised that they had a dedicated Around the World desk, consisting of reservation agents trained specifically to handle oneworld products. Besides dealing with the time difference between Melbourne and Dallas, Texas, the ATW desk provided a one stop shop for all my bookings and enquiries, with a team of the most customer-oriented AAgents I’ve ever spoken to who also knew the rules of the fare almost perfectly. I knew I’d found the Holy Grail in the world of oneworld reservations offices. I’d only need to contact the issuing location (AA in Tokyo) to discuss payment, a process mandated by the fare rules – which state that the fare charged will be the higher of that of the country of purchase vs country of origin.

    I had decided on a 4 continent fare in business, aka DONE4 (ONE = oneworld explorer, D = business, 4 = 4 continents). The fare allowed a generous 20 flown segments, and a per continent limit of 4, with the exception of North America where one is allowed 6 flown segments. And several annoying bits and pieces to prevent loss of revenue to opportunistic customers like myself, such as a limit on 2 segments between the UK and the Middle East (so you couldn’t do more than LHR-DXB-LHR) and several other routes to Eastern Europe and Russia that were considered long routes. Surprisingly Turkey isn’t included in this limitation. Unlimited stopovers, except in the continent of origin where only 2 was allowed. My itinerary included Asia (continent of origin), Europe/Middle East (yep the Middle East is considered Europe according to oneworld which worked out on many levels as I could then plan the ultimate mileage runner – London to Dubai and back), North America, and the South West Pacific.

    Now the next wrinkle amidst all the planning – fare and rule changes. In July, the rules concerning segment allowance were ‘enhanced’ to include surface segments in the segment count. Prior to this, I could cherry pick and include only the longest segments on my fare and buy the short flights out of my own pocket as they can be cheaply acquired. For example, one could simply fly London to Los Angeles, make their own way to San Francisco, and pick up the RTW from there with a flight across to New York. Under the new rules, the open jaw or surface segment between LA and San Francisco would count towards the limit of 20, thus meaning one had less flown segments. Whether or not airport changes (changing from, say London Heathrow to London Gatwick airports do incur a ‘slot’ in the ticket and are technically ‘surface segments’) are included in the definition of ‘surface segment’ for the purpose of this new ruling remains to be seen, with different interpretations of the rule from the different carriers (I knew there’s a good reason for that ‘manyworlds’ moniker!). I did what I could to rework the itinerary around in Europe, but the parents were with me in the US and being the good son that I am I couldn’t possibly force them to fly San Francisco to New York via LA with me, or put them on a separate plane while I turn back to LA myself. So I was left with 19 flights and 1 surface segment – could've been worse.
    Last edited by KeithMEL; 27 August 2007, 05:20 PM.
    All opinions shared are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer or any other organisation of which I'm affiliated to.

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    The other major wrinkle was the fact that AA Tokyo would not issue a paper ticket unless I’m physically standing in front of their ticket counter in Tokyo. This is in contrast to AA’s General Sales Agents in Colombo and Cairo who have been adept at issuing such tickets for people from all over the world by then, who had a proper procedure to handle such tickets (whether forwarding tickets by post or keeping them in a giant safe). Most airline computer systems could only handle etickets of up to 16 segments including surface segments (think of them as ‘slots’ in the ticket); AA’s extremely arcane systems forced their poor reservations staff to handwrite any paper ticket that was more than 16 segments, or issue any tickets with open dated coupons as paper tickets. This would not be a problem, except that with the tendency of these products to change their rules and fares, leaving ticketing till the last minute would leave one exposed to the new rules/fare. Fare rules/prices are only locked in at the point where the ticket has been issued, ie when ticket numbers are generated.

    Fortunately there is a simple, albeit convoluted, way to get around the problem. And that is to drop 4 segments from the tail end of the desired itinerary, which brings the segment count to 16. Then, restore them after ticketing or, if wanting to avoid paper tickets, after 4 segments are exhausted. And since date/time changes are free so long as the routing is untouched, one could simply add flights on random dates to flights they intend to fly and simply change them later when plans are firmed up. And for those originating in IATA areas 2 and 3 (ie anything outside the Americas), a reroute/reissue prior to departure, does not attract the rerouting fee of $125 (Yet there are those who’d willingly pay said fee to avoid paper tickets – so YMMV). But the first intercontinental and any preceding flight has to be left untouched, according to the ATW desk, to avoid having to cancel/refund/rebook – eeek! In my case my original aim of generating an eticket by dropping a few flights from the end of my itinerary was to protect myself from rules/fare changes and I fully intend to reroute my ticket and restore the 4 flights upon arriving in Tokyo at the AA ticket counter in Narita airport. I might buy some Tim Tams for the poor AAgent that has to write out my coupons… Hey I’m saving $125 and it’d be one of the last times I get to use paper tickets – as IATA plans to go fully eticket by May 2008.

    And finally, my itinerary, sans IATA airport codes for the uninitiated. (x = transits, ie stops of less than 24 hrs; //=surface):
    Tokyo Narita-xSingapore-xLondon Heathrow-Dubai-xLondon Heathrow-Rome-London Heathrow-Los Angeles//San Francisco-New York Kennedy-Miami-New Orleans-xDallas Fort-Worth-xNew York Kennedy-Sydney-Wellington-Melbourne-Auckland-Hong Kong-Singapore-Tokyo Narita. A part mileage run (then again the ATW desk didn’t flinch when I mentioned flying Tokyo to Dubai via S’pore and London, the nice AAgent even asked whether I was from Flyertalk. ), and part holiday taking in a few cities I’ve always wanted to check out, and cities I want to return to.

    Additionally I’ve had to purchase a few extra flights to reposition myself between the myriad of cities I intend to visit and the cities on the DONE4 itinerary. Broken down into 3 different trips – that’s approximately 2 grand per trip, ie not much more than getting separate tickets for all 3 trips in steerage. And the cherry – ‘tis 85% to oneworld emerald status!

    And why am I even writing this account you might ask. Partially because I’m bored, and also because despite all the hiccups I think I’ve had fun planning the ticket, which consists of the handy Great Circle Mapper to determine length of flights, spreadsheets upon spreadsheets to determine the AAdvantage miles and status points I’d accrue, and of course – the cities I’d love a visit. Reconciling the tension between the 3 – and I’ve come up with a wonderfully fantastic itinerary that I can’t wait to embark on. All in, 55 595 miles, 17 different cities, and 5 oneworld carriers (Japan/BA/AA/Qantas/Cathay), and another couple of odd miles with non oneworld carriers (SWISS/US Airways).

    If you’re still with me, I hope you’ve enjoyed my pre-trip report report. The RTW gurus are probably yawning at this long and rambling post, but I hope the rest of you do not get frightened off by the process. Trust me – it’s worth it., even enjoyable. Oh and I’m a geek.

    And to those oneworld explorer gurus from all over the world (Sydney, Melbourne, Perth, London, Auckland, Hong Kong, the US, Madrid/Santiago for starters ) on the various travel forums who’ve to put up with my incessant questions, both posts on forums and private msgs, a big thank you to all you. A beer or five on me if we ever get to put face to handle. Now off to more mundane things like deciding where to sit, and looking at trip reports on the various segments to know what to look forward to....

    4 months to go… But I do think that the planning has been a trip in itself. And I'd definitely be wiser the next time around, provided the things that make this fare so good haven't been 'enhanced' out of existence completely. In the meantime I’d better don a flame proof suit to protect myself from millions of environmental activists around the world.

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    Fare rules and prices for each origin for the oneworld explorer are readily available here: http://www.oneworld.com/ow/air-trave...world-explorer

    The fare charged will be the higher of that of country of purchase vs country of departure. And unfortunately unlike RWSTAR, there is no exception for purchasing in Canada.

    There is also another OW RTW product known as the Global Explorer which has BOTH segments and distance limitation like RWSTAR, but includes travel on several non-OW members like Air Tahiti Nui or Air Pacific, which can be handy for areas with thin/zero ow service like PPT.
    Last edited by KeithMEL; 27 August 2007, 07:24 PM.
    All opinions shared are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer or any other organisation of which I'm affiliated to.

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    • #3
      so you dont like SQ no more? cuzz u said you abandon them..

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      • #4
        Originally posted by singaporeairlinesboi View Post
        so you dont like SQ no more? cuzz u said you abandon them..
        Oh i still do - just cause i've stopped flying them (other than when I've enough LH miles to burn) doesn't mean that I've stopped liking them.
        All opinions shared are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer or any other organisation of which I'm affiliated to.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by KeithMEL View Post
          Oh i still do - just cause i've stopped flying them (other than when I've enough LH miles to burn) doesn't mean that I've stopped liking them.
          oOo
          well its a shame that you stoped flying with SQ.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by singaporeairlinesboi View Post
            oOo
            well its a shame that you stoped flying with SQ.
            I think the reasons have been hashed out both above and in another thread.

            But hey - still an excellent airline service-wise. Just less incentive putting my money there over its competitors.
            All opinions shared are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer or any other organisation of which I'm affiliated to.

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            • #7
              How much did you end up paying for this (not including the trips to Japan to start the RTW)?

              I notice you also have LHR several times - I thought that RTW tickets either have to be clockwise or anti-clockwise?

              I am planning for a RTW trip later this year, so still have lots to learn

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              • #8
                Excellent pre TR report, KeithMEL - very informative for a OW RTW virgin like myself! Some additional points perhaps:

                1 How you find the prices of the RTWs from the various origins.

                2 Perhaps mention (if it's not obvious ?) that you should acquire a workikng knowledge of the relevant fare rules.

                3 As well as the fun of choosing the places you want to visit and/or airlines you want to fly, an enjoyable part for me (a *A RTW) was maximising the FFP status/miles achievable from the RTW. I assume it was the same for yours ?

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                • #9
                  Fare rules and relevant fares for each origin are readily available on the oneworld website: http://www.oneworld.com/ow/air-trave...world-explorer

                  Yes - know the fare rules from back to front before ringing up the airline or TA because even res agents or TAs can get fare rules muddled up themselves. For eg, Qantas agents will insist that the fare ends at the point of origin, when in fact you're allowed to make side trips with any remaining segments so long as it's within country of origin.

                  Fares are increasing Sept 1st ex-HKG, and maybe it's an across the board increase according to rumours. This is what I meant by ticketing early.
                  All opinions shared are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer or any other organisation of which I'm affiliated to.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by andySYD View Post
                    How much did you end up paying for this (not including the trips to Japan to start the RTW)?

                    I notice you also have LHR several times - I thought that RTW tickets either have to be clockwise or anti-clockwise?

                    I am planning for a RTW trip later this year, so still have lots to learn
                    A$8500 in total inclusive of taxes. Add another A$1000 extra for fuel if you choose to issue via the fuel finers, ie JL/CX/BA/QF.

                    You can backtrack as much as you like so long as it's not between continents, and you've not returned to country of origin.

                    One thing I forgot to mention was to beware of currency fluctuation if you choose to issue a ticket in another location (as with RWSTARs). Had I issued a week earlier I'd have saved nearly A$400, but then the A$ crashed spectacularly thanks to stock market uncertainty and the yen surged a week later and I ended up saving A$800 by issuing when I did. Can't win it all I guess.

                    Generally the rules of the oneworld explorer (as distinct from the global explorer - another OW RTW product):
                    - 20 segments including flown/surface
                    - No mileage limitation
                    - 4 segments per continent, 6 in Nth America
                    - You can purchase 2 additional segments per continent at a set rate (excluding continent of origin) but both free + purchased segments cannot exceed the limit of 20. It's generally uneconomical to purchase additional segments on the fare though.
                    - No more than 2 UK-Middle East/certain East Europe cities segments
                    - No more than 1 transcon in the US
                    - No more than 1 flight to ANC, no more than 1 flight from ANC
                    - No more than 1 flight between mainland USA and HNL
                    - No more than 1 transcon in Australia
                    - No limit on backtracking
                    - Unlimited stopovers, 2 in continent of origin
                    - The continents are : North America, South America, South West Pacific, Asia, Europe&Middle East, Africa
                    - 2 entries/exits to Asia permitted as long as one of the entries/exits is a transit between South West Pacific and Europe&Middle East (eg SYD-xHKG-LHR or SYD-LHR through flight)
                    - 2 entries/exits to Europe permitted as long as one of the entries/exits is a transit between <insert random African countries that I now cannot recall> and another continent.
                    - If commencing in Africa or South West Pacific, an xONE4 is the minimum you can ticket due to hub limitations. [single numbered QF/BA through flights from Australia to Europe are viewed as touching 3 continents - SWP, Asia, Europe]
                    - Where class of service is unavailable, you'll be booked into the lower class of service with no comp. Exception: If on a business fare, you'll be booked into F on 2 class domestic services in the US.

                    That's all I can think of for now... refer to the fare rules on oneworld.com (or expertflyer) for more details.

                    Paging a RWSTAR guru to come along with RWSTAR rules...

                    Originally posted by jhm View Post
                    3 As well as the fun of choosing the places you want to visit and/or airlines you want to fly, an enjoyable part for me (a *A RTW) was maximising the FFP status/miles achievable from the RTW. I assume it was the same for yours ?
                    Yeah fully - and I only need 10 000 flown miles after this trip (the first bit of my next DONE4 hopefully) to get EXP status.

                    Hence some unnecessary flights like NRT-xSIN-xLHR-DXB, or entering the US from LHR at the west coast, and exiting over at the east coast for Australia.

                    Since you're accruing to BAEC, LHR-DXB/MCT/BAH etc-LHR and the seasonal DFW-ANC-DFW come to mind, and the latter books into A if you're on a DONEx.
                    Last edited by KeithMEL; 28 August 2007, 01:25 AM. Reason: wrong continent identified for xONE4 min
                    All opinions shared are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer or any other organisation of which I'm affiliated to.

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                    • #11
                      It depends on the rules of the FFP of course but if the oneworld explorer was a *A product, it would be somewhat useless for PPS sector maximisation (under the existing rules), e.g. I flew SQ metal FRA-SIN-xCGK-xSIN-SGN-xSIN-PEK ... KIX-BKK-NRT-LAX - somewhat more than 4 segments in Asia!

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                      • #12
                        Did you have any problems gettting RTW availability for any of your flights ? Do they book into D or I ?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by jhm View Post
                          It depends on the rules of the FFP of course but if the oneworld explorer was a *A product, it would be somewhat useless for PPS sector maximisation (under the existing rules), e.g. I flew SQ metal FRA-SIN-xCGK-xSIN-SGN-xSIN-PEK ... KIX-BKK-NRT-LAX - somewhat more than 4 segments in Asia!
                          True. Each RTW product has their pros and cons. So best to pick one that suits. They're all pretty fun to plan and execute though.

                          Originally posted by jhm View Post
                          Did you have any problems gettting RTW availability for any of your flights ? Do they book into D or I ?
                          They book into L/D/A for Economy/Business/First respectively.

                          I only had problems with BA, which practises point of sale discrimination (and also CX according to TOF but I don't have many CX segments). I couldn't get SIN-LHR, it was showing D0 for most origins other than exLHR customers. And BA doesn't allow waitlisting other than the full fare buckets. So what I did was booked on to QF for SINLHR, called up BA UK and supplied them the BA/QF PNR and had them switch over to the BA flight for me. A friend did something similar at the BA ticketing counter in LHR for LHR-JFK.

                          Try doing a search on BA MRU on TOF and you'll find that most people doing the exMRU (First is cheap exMRU) fare have great difficulty in getting MRU-LHR flights cleared even though the flight may be wide open.

                          Also - there;d also be blackouts on certain dates or entire flights for D or A so do try to be flexible with dates. Once upon a time getting the CX HKG-JFK non stop in D or A was almost like an urban legend.

                          The other issue was CX returning a 2 week ticketing deadline for their segments into the PNR once the reservation has been made. I originally had CMB-HKG-LHR. There's no way getting round this as CX was the only carrier out of CMB, and the first intercontinental and any preceding flights can't be left open dated. In that situation you need to discuss payment with the issuing office and get them to extend the CX ticketing deadline. AA CMB was able to talk to CX CMB to extend the auto cancellation deadline once I satisfied them that I was actually intending to pay for the ticket. This might not be an issue if the xONEx was organised via CX though, or on less busy routes.
                          Last edited by KeithMEL; 27 August 2007, 08:04 PM.
                          All opinions shared are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer or any other organisation of which I'm affiliated to.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by KeithMEL View Post
                            So what I did was booked on to QF for SINLHR, called up BA UK and supplied them the BA/QF PNR and had them switch over to the BA flight for me.
                            Do you mean book the QF codeshare, i.e. you switched to the same flight but under a BA flight number ? For a different class of service bonus on AA perhaps ?

                            You mentioned above the Great Circle Mapper (a free service; even more useful for *A RTWs with their mileage limitations) and also ExpertFlyer. For the sake of completeness and others reading, I should also mention the KVS Availability Tool which does much of the same as ExpertFlyer but they each have their different strengths. I have both and have used EF more and the other less. IMO, EF and/or KVS are well worth signing up for if contemplating a RTW - they're both inexpensive and very useful.

                            Finally, just to mention that (good) enhancements are planned for the Great Circle Mapper. From an e-mail I received from Karl Swartz:

                            I have been putting a lot of effort into improving the Great Circle Mapper. The US Government pulled the plug on public access to DAFIF last autumn, eliminating the best source of data for non-US airports, so finding alternate data sources has been a high priority. That is an ongoing project, but I've made some good progress, the latest being official data for Canada and Bolivia which should be on the site soon.

                            The bigger project is a complete rewrite of the map drawing part of the site, the first major change to that software since the site debuted on the Web in September 1996. I was hoping to complete that in time for the site's 11th anniversary but it will probably be later in the year.

                            [...]

                            (To whet your appetite, the new site will have many of the features which users have wanted for a long time, like larger maps and maps that scale to smaller areas where appropriate. It will also be MUCH faster.)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jhm View Post
                              Do you mean book the QF codeshare, i.e. you switched to the same flight but under a BA flight number ? For a different class of service bonus on AA perhaps ?
                              No I was booked on an entirely different flight operated by QF. Even the QF codeshares on the BA flights were zeroed out. The 2 airlines will share the same PNR (along with IB if you have any flights with them) as they're all hosted by Amadeus. I was very tempted to keep the QF flight but ultimately decided upon BA due to better punctuality stats of the BA12 turnaround.

                              AA has the same COS bonus for every airline - 25% for J, 50% for F. You get 100% extra on all airlines if you're PLT/EXP, with the exception of JL flights.

                              Also - if you're accruing to FFPs with a min segment rule, beware that the AA ATW desk will try to pressure you into booking the overwater segments on AA metal/codes. There is no rule (for now) against having no major AA content in the itinerary unless a TA organised the itinerary, but you do have to expect some grumbling. I was happy to ticket JFK-SYD as the AA7366 codeshare instead of QF108 as I felt that I should give some revenue back for all their excellent work (and the fact that QF was so rude to me on the phone). It diminishes op up chances but that flight will be full of QF Plats anyway.
                              Last edited by KeithMEL; 27 August 2007, 08:16 PM.
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