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  • EU votes for Open Skies

    Be interesting to see what this does to LHR, BA and Europe as a whole...


    European Union (EU) transport ministers have unanimously backed an "open skies" aviation deal with the US aimed at liberalising transatlantic air travel. The deal, which has been criticised by some UK airlines, eases restrictions on travel between Europe and the US.

    Supporters say open skies reform will boost competition between airlines and lead to lower air fares.

    The deal will also challenge British Airways' dominance at Heathrow airport, Europe's busiest hub.

    EU Transport Commissioner Jacques Barrot described the deal as one of "great political and economic importance."

    "The fact that everyone in the Council (of transport ministers) has been able to welcome the outcome is to be commended," he said.

    The EU said consumers would see a total of up to $16bn (£8.1bn) in economic benefits as a result of the deal, as increased competition brings down air fares.

    Under the open skies plan any EU-based airline will be allowed to fly from any city within the EU to any city in the US, and vice versa.

    But while US airlines would gain free access to European airports, EU carriers would not be allowed the same rights on domestic routes within the US.

    Paul Charles of Virgin Atlantic, said the deal did not go far enough.

    "It doesn't enable full liberalisation, it doesn't open up US markets so that European and British carriers can operate from one city to another - that's where the British government should be pushing things today."

    Negotiating the deal was a drawn-out, four-year process, and the breakthrough was only reached weeks ago.

    Among the effects of the deal would be an increase in the number of airlines using London's busy Heathrow airport.

    BA, Virgin, American Airlines and United Airlines currently dominate transatlantic services from Heathrow.


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6477969.stm

  • #2
    Well there was a rumour that the UK would veto the deal. Evidently not thankfully.

    Maybe the United Kingdom can finally allow Singapore Airlines the LHRJFK vv once daily route now that they have completed their unconnected-to-the-issue transatlantic air agreement.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by MAN Flyer View Post
      Supporters say open skies reform will boost competition between airlines and lead to lower air fares.
      Lower air fares are all well and good but not when it leads to a race for the bottom in terms of service. It looks like BA are going down this route unlike SQ with their premium prices and service (despite recent "enhancements").

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      • #4
        This might mean that I'd get to earn AA miles on those BA TATLs. Goodbye Mexican/Canadian merry-go-rounds!
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        • #5
          Originally posted by KeithMEL View Post
          This might mean that I'd get to earn AA miles on those BA TATLs. Goodbye Mexican/Canadian merry-go-rounds!
          I betcha you won't. It wouldn't be to AA's advantage to allow that.
          ‘Lean into the sharp points’

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          • #6
            Originally posted by jjpb3 View Post
            I betcha you won't. It wouldn't be to AA's advantage to allow that.
            Pun intended?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Savage25 View Post
              Pun intended?
              ‘Lean into the sharp points’

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              • #8
                Originally posted by jjpb3 View Post
                I betcha you won't. It wouldn't be to AA's advantage to allow that.
                They've given hints in various articles about 'bolstering' their alliance with BA though. Might include complete codesharing TATL - and right now all AA codeshares do earn miles and Qpts, including the codeshare on BA JFK-MAN. So since they get revenue from the codeshares, I don't think there's any reason blocking people from earning miles/Qpts on BA flights if booked on the AA code.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by KeithMEL View Post
                  They've given hints in various articles about 'bolstering' their alliance with BA though. Might include complete codesharing TATL - and right now all AA codeshares do earn miles and Qpts, including the codeshare on BA JFK-MAN. So since they get revenue from the codeshares, I don't think there's any reason blocking people from earning miles/Qpts on BA flights if booked on the AA code.
                  Still, codeshares are less valuable than own-metal flights. The main value of a codeshare is not having to operate your own metal to places where those aircraft have a high opportunity cost. My guess (and it is a guess, so I might very well get it wrong) is that the LHR routes to the major US gateways are precisely the ones on which AA would find it valuable to keep operating their own metal. This is what makes me doubtful that "complete codesharing" would be the outcome.
                  ‘Lean into the sharp points’

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jjpb3 View Post
                    Still, codeshares are less valuable than own-metal flights. The main value of a codeshare is not having to operate your own metal to places where those aircraft have a high opportunity cost. My guess (and it is a guess, so I might very well get it wrong) is that the LHR routes to the major US gateways are precisely the ones on which AA would find it valuable to keep operating their own metal. This is what makes me doubtful that "complete codesharing" would be the outcome.
                    Hm that's true too. Another possible scenario is a JSA like the roo route.

                    Interesting times ahead!
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